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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The presumption here is that only gays are motivated to boycott? Every straight person I know is also incensed. I think California was a line in the sand, and subsequently a wake-up call, not just to gays, but to many many broad minded citizens. Don&#039;t forget that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The presumption here is that only gays are motivated to boycott? Every straight person I know is also incensed. I think California was a line in the sand, and subsequently a wake-up call, not just to gays, but to many many broad minded citizens. Don&#8217;t forget that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A specific, pointed, precisely targeting attack is most effective.

Boycott LDS-owned companies.

Boycott businesses that supported Yes on 8 and other anti-equality legislation.

I&#039;m in for that.  Where do I sign up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A specific, pointed, precisely targeting attack is most effective.</p>
<p>Boycott LDS-owned companies.</p>
<p>Boycott businesses that supported Yes on 8 and other anti-equality legislation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in for that.  Where do I sign up?</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anybody send me a list with all that people or business who gave money ...i will boycott them and so should everybody else....that bigots  are happy to take our money ...and that&#039;s where we can hit them...money is for the Mormons the most important thing that&#039;s how they control everything
mark94131@aol.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can anybody send me a list with all that people or business who gave money &#8230;i will boycott them and so should everybody else&#8230;.that bigots  are happy to take our money &#8230;and that&#8217;s where we can hit them&#8230;money is for the Mormons the most important thing that&#8217;s how they control everything<br />
<a href="mailto:mark94131@aol.com">mark94131@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem what a church wants their own members to do within their own congregation, but there was a million dollar donation to block same sex civil unions by a Utah resident (Alan Ashton - OUTED!) and last time I checked Utah was squarely outside the California border.

The problem is not what they believe, it&#039;s that they use their church, its infrastructure, and its money to push through legislation that impacts others.  This is not the first time they&#039;ve blurred the lines of separation of church and state - they tried to block the ERA and during the recent Republican Primary they were using BYU and official church structures to try and get LDS Mitt Romney elected; they went as far as to send out letters on BYU Marriott Business School stationery - which they later apologized.

Who wants to give money to a bunch of narrow minded &quot;we&#039;re Christians cause Christ is in the name&quot; Mormons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem what a church wants their own members to do within their own congregation, but there was a million dollar donation to block same sex civil unions by a Utah resident (Alan Ashton &#8211; OUTED!) and last time I checked Utah was squarely outside the California border.</p>
<p>The problem is not what they believe, it&#8217;s that they use their church, its infrastructure, and its money to push through legislation that impacts others.  This is not the first time they&#8217;ve blurred the lines of separation of church and state &#8211; they tried to block the ERA and during the recent Republican Primary they were using BYU and official church structures to try and get LDS Mitt Romney elected; they went as far as to send out letters on BYU Marriott Business School stationery &#8211; which they later apologized.</p>
<p>Who wants to give money to a bunch of narrow minded &#8220;we&#8217;re Christians cause Christ is in the name&#8221; Mormons.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my home state of Arizona deserves the same - after all, it wasn&#039;t until we started losing convention revenue that this ridiculous state woke up to Mecham&#039;s denial of MLK day. Let&#039;s see who wins out in this allegedly moral and religious fight - all-mighty God, or the all-mighty dollar? I&#039;m willing to see our economy further strained if it means that equality wins in the end. I feel confident that if big business starts taking their money elsewhere, the legislature will suddenly take a leadership position on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my home state of Arizona deserves the same &#8211; after all, it wasn&#8217;t until we started losing convention revenue that this ridiculous state woke up to Mecham&#8217;s denial of MLK day. Let&#8217;s see who wins out in this allegedly moral and religious fight &#8211; all-mighty God, or the all-mighty dollar? I&#8217;m willing to see our economy further strained if it means that equality wins in the end. I feel confident that if big business starts taking their money elsewhere, the legislature will suddenly take a leadership position on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/10/6088/comment-page-1#comment-22978</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support a full scale boycott of the Mormon state of Utah as the poster state for all churches nationally that discriminate against anyone for anything, and lift the boycott against the state at the appropriate time, keeping a national religious discrimination boycott in place.
This would not mean staying away from your church, but taking the funds you would give the church and giving it in support of whatever current minority the church happens to fancy for the current target.  
This is not just gays at bat here, this is closer to 50% of Americans who are fed up with discrimination of any kind. 
I think it&#039;s time churches nationally put a moritorium on all discrimination, permanently. Until they do, I think a permanent national religious boycott wallet squeeze and a temporary state squeeze to solidify the message could be productive world wide. 
When the paychecks reduce in dollars, you will be amazed at how the choir sings a different tune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support a full scale boycott of the Mormon state of Utah as the poster state for all churches nationally that discriminate against anyone for anything, and lift the boycott against the state at the appropriate time, keeping a national religious discrimination boycott in place.<br />
This would not mean staying away from your church, but taking the funds you would give the church and giving it in support of whatever current minority the church happens to fancy for the current target.<br />
This is not just gays at bat here, this is closer to 50% of Americans who are fed up with discrimination of any kind.<br />
I think it&#8217;s time churches nationally put a moritorium on all discrimination, permanently. Until they do, I think a permanent national religious boycott wallet squeeze and a temporary state squeeze to solidify the message could be productive world wide.<br />
When the paychecks reduce in dollars, you will be amazed at how the choir sings a different tune.</p>
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		<title>By: paul J stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul J stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was lucky enough to spend a few years in rural North Carolina attending a Mormon church, but as a guest and not a member. As a Gay Yankee from ohio i was to say the least, apprehensive and skeptical of how I would be treated. After a year or so of attending &quot;sisterhood&quot; meetings then going to &quot;priesthood&quot; meetings at each service a directive came down from on high,(SaltLakeCity). The branch was directed to join the condemnation of Gays &amp; Lesbians and the lifestyle. The branch leader was hesitant to read it as he very much disagreed with the content, he did his job as he always did. He read it. The older matriarchs went off and let him have it for talking against me. I wanted to disappear. The older beautiful ladies were on the cellphones to SLC letting them have it. I still go back for weddings and to see my buddies, check out the current missionaries, work on some cars.  We need to do this on a personal level. Core beliefs are reinforced through personal contact,trust and shared life experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was lucky enough to spend a few years in rural North Carolina attending a Mormon church, but as a guest and not a member. As a Gay Yankee from ohio i was to say the least, apprehensive and skeptical of how I would be treated. After a year or so of attending &#8220;sisterhood&#8221; meetings then going to &#8220;priesthood&#8221; meetings at each service a directive came down from on high,(SaltLakeCity). The branch was directed to join the condemnation of Gays &amp; Lesbians and the lifestyle. The branch leader was hesitant to read it as he very much disagreed with the content, he did his job as he always did. He read it. The older matriarchs went off and let him have it for talking against me. I wanted to disappear. The older beautiful ladies were on the cellphones to SLC letting them have it. I still go back for weddings and to see my buddies, check out the current missionaries, work on some cars.  We need to do this on a personal level. Core beliefs are reinforced through personal contact,trust and shared life experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: HappyCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>HappyCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all for NO TO UTAH. The Sate has led LDS become the Major Player there. If the people of Utah know they are targeted by the actions of the Mormons, that have the largest say.  If the people of Utah want to support the LDS, then SAY NO TO UTAH.  If the people of Utah say hold up LDS, your actions hurt all of us in Utah and LDS listens and backs off spreading hate into other states, boycott over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all for NO TO UTAH. The Sate has led LDS become the Major Player there. If the people of Utah know they are targeted by the actions of the Mormons, that have the largest say.  If the people of Utah want to support the LDS, then SAY NO TO UTAH.  If the people of Utah say hold up LDS, your actions hurt all of us in Utah and LDS listens and backs off spreading hate into other states, boycott over.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken R,

I, too, am curious about this news.  I have to do a little research on the controversy during last year&#039;s legislature session.  I seem to remember the City of Salt Lake (which is more liberal) gave equal rights to their domestic partners and then Sen. Chris Buttars threw a hissy-fit.  Either Mr. Buttars believes what his church believes or he...well...would be a text-book definition of a hypocrite.  

John,

Oh...I could write a whole book about the unique spectacle called: Tithing Settlement in the Mormon Church.  It happens every end-of-year.  Right during the most festive time of year: between Christmas and New Years&#039; each member is called and a time is set for an interview with the local Bishop.  They determine what is agreed upon should be considered a full tithe.    It&#039;s especially interesting when you consider your local Mormon Bishop is a non-paid, lay clergy.  He could be your friend.  He could be your business co-worker.  He could be Joe-the-Plumber.  Do you see the potential for a comedy?  Even on Broadway:   Tithing Settlement the Musical.   (I should write the screenplay and Sir Elton John could do the music.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken R,</p>
<p>I, too, am curious about this news.  I have to do a little research on the controversy during last year&#8217;s legislature session.  I seem to remember the City of Salt Lake (which is more liberal) gave equal rights to their domestic partners and then Sen. Chris Buttars threw a hissy-fit.  Either Mr. Buttars believes what his church believes or he&#8230;well&#8230;would be a text-book definition of a hypocrite.  </p>
<p>John,</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;I could write a whole book about the unique spectacle called: Tithing Settlement in the Mormon Church.  It happens every end-of-year.  Right during the most festive time of year: between Christmas and New Years&#8217; each member is called and a time is set for an interview with the local Bishop.  They determine what is agreed upon should be considered a full tithe.    It&#8217;s especially interesting when you consider your local Mormon Bishop is a non-paid, lay clergy.  He could be your friend.  He could be your business co-worker.  He could be Joe-the-Plumber.  Do you see the potential for a comedy?  Even on Broadway:   Tithing Settlement the Musical.   (I should write the screenplay and Sir Elton John could do the music.)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mormon Church does not believe in equality for gays and lesbians.  A true civil union law in Utah would never fly.  This is just another of their many anti-gay lies.  They will just ignore it, and it will go nowhere in a legislature they control.  Dream on.

By the way, on the issue of boycotts, friends of mine who are former Mormons said that the Church went so far as to demand their tax returns to determine if they were paying their proper 10% tithe to the Church.  They were so insulted that they quit the Church.  But the lesson I took from this is that 10% of whatever I spend at a Mormon business is going to fund a Church that is out to deny me my rights, regardless of what the business owner&#039;s politics are.  Reason enough for me to avoid any Mormon owned business that I can identify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mormon Church does not believe in equality for gays and lesbians.  A true civil union law in Utah would never fly.  This is just another of their many anti-gay lies.  They will just ignore it, and it will go nowhere in a legislature they control.  Dream on.</p>
<p>By the way, on the issue of boycotts, friends of mine who are former Mormons said that the Church went so far as to demand their tax returns to determine if they were paying their proper 10% tithe to the Church.  They were so insulted that they quit the Church.  But the lesson I took from this is that 10% of whatever I spend at a Mormon business is going to fund a Church that is out to deny me my rights, regardless of what the business owner&#8217;s politics are.  Reason enough for me to avoid any Mormon owned business that I can identify.</p>
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