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	<title>Comments on: El Coyote: An Uncompromising Faith</title>
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		<title>By: ask</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/12/6167/comment-page-2#comment-48790</link>
		<dc:creator>ask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t go back to El Coyote.  Margie lied, as did the restaurant.  She didn&#039;t resign, but is back there if full force as if nothing ever happened.  I went tonight, August 29, 2009, and there she was just like before floating around everywhere as phony and insincere as she ever was.  I don&#039;t like being lied to.  I&#039;m not ever returning, and hope none of you do either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t go back to El Coyote.  Margie lied, as did the restaurant.  She didn&#8217;t resign, but is back there if full force as if nothing ever happened.  I went tonight, August 29, 2009, and there she was just like before floating around everywhere as phony and insincere as she ever was.  I don&#8217;t like being lied to.  I&#8217;m not ever returning, and hope none of you do either.</p>
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		<title>By: alizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>alizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong, but I say Vote for yourselves!  If you want to give strength to those who vote against your happiness, then patronize them and strengthen their wallets.  If you want your rights, then stand up for yourselves, take responsibility and go somewhere else.  If you want rights, you have to step up.  If someone insults you do you go back for more, because they have good food or drink?  Who&#039;s selling out who?

If you were running for office would you vote for the other candidate?  Vote for yourselves.   It&#039;s too bad that gays and others who work at El Coyote will have to find other jobs--or you lose a place to party––but what about you and your brothers and sisters rights???  And all those who come after you?  Everything has its price.  What is the greater good?  Standing for yourself is not standing against anyone else.  They will take care of themselves.  The choice was made to vote against equality.   It is each soul&#039;s responsibility to stand for itself--not against others--but for itself.  Then we come together as equals.
As an adult, if you don&#039;t stand for yourself––no one else will!
Peace,
--Liz
xoxox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong, but I say Vote for yourselves!  If you want to give strength to those who vote against your happiness, then patronize them and strengthen their wallets.  If you want your rights, then stand up for yourselves, take responsibility and go somewhere else.  If you want rights, you have to step up.  If someone insults you do you go back for more, because they have good food or drink?  Who&#8217;s selling out who?</p>
<p>If you were running for office would you vote for the other candidate?  Vote for yourselves.   It&#8217;s too bad that gays and others who work at El Coyote will have to find other jobs&#8211;or you lose a place to party––but what about you and your brothers and sisters rights???  And all those who come after you?  Everything has its price.  What is the greater good?  Standing for yourself is not standing against anyone else.  They will take care of themselves.  The choice was made to vote against equality.   It is each soul&#8217;s responsibility to stand for itself&#8211;not against others&#8211;but for itself.  Then we come together as equals.<br />
As an adult, if you don&#8217;t stand for yourself––no one else will!<br />
Peace,<br />
&#8211;Liz<br />
xoxox</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Luxe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Luxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A boycott of LDS members/tithers is the best way to get the attention of the old white sequestered men at the head of the church.  Boycott Utah tourism.  Boycott LDS businesses.  {anyone have a good list?} The LDS church is thoroughly hierarchical:  all issues go to SLC for a decision by prophet/ceo Monson [profit?].  Once he gets poor tithing audits, he&#039;ll have a revelation.  The LDS are nice that way; the prophet can change their doctrines &amp; covenants whenever he feels the need.  This happened in 1978 with black members.  Anyone see a parallel with the Montgomery bus boycott?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A boycott of LDS members/tithers is the best way to get the attention of the old white sequestered men at the head of the church.  Boycott Utah tourism.  Boycott LDS businesses.  {anyone have a good list?} The LDS church is thoroughly hierarchical:  all issues go to SLC for a decision by prophet/ceo Monson [profit?].  Once he gets poor tithing audits, he&#8217;ll have a revelation.  The LDS are nice that way; the prophet can change their doctrines &amp; covenants whenever he feels the need.  This happened in 1978 with black members.  Anyone see a parallel with the Montgomery bus boycott?</p>
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		<title>By: Cleo J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cleo J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, holy crap. This so totally sucks.
From 1979 to 1997 I lived in L.A. being a struggling actor/dancer. I lived in the area and El Coyote was a big part of my life and I have nothing but fond memories of the place.
It&#039;s one of the places I truly missed when I loved to another state.
At least 3 times a year I come back to L.A. and Coyote is one of the places I always go. I love and miss the food, the crowd, the place...and the margaritas.
On my fridge I have a postcard of an artist&#039;s rendition of the restaurant.
When my friend (who worked up the street at Television City and would frequent the Coyote for lunch...a lot) sent me an e-mail telling me that the manager gave money for Prop 8, I felt as if I found out that an old friend that I thought I knew was in the KKK.
He told me that there was going to be a boycott of the restaurant. To which I agreed.
Then I thought about it:
Marge gave $100. Once.
The restaurant has been SUPPORTING the community for how long??? 
Decades. DECADES.
Plus, the restaurant is giving $5000 to the Community.
WTF, people. WTF!?!
If she&#039;s a Mormon in her private life, then that&#039;s her life. That&#039;s her belief. Which I so totally don&#039;t agree with, but I understand that she&#039;s old and with Mormons those beliefs are indoctrinated from birth. She doesn&#039;t want to be turned on by her church community. (And they&#039;re like that. I know Mormons.)
Look. She gave $100 to a despicable piece of legislature. Her BUSINESS has made up for it in spades and will be donating, like, $5000 to the Community! Which I&#039;m sure doesn&#039;t make her church very happy. Which is really good!
As much as I hate her private donation, I think her business has made up for it and I&#039;m going to support her business.
I&#039;m going to support the people who work there and have families to support. 
These are crappy times for people to be out of work and I&#039;m going to support THEM. 
I&#039;m NOT supporting Marjorie.
I AM supporting her employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, holy crap. This so totally sucks.<br />
From 1979 to 1997 I lived in L.A. being a struggling actor/dancer. I lived in the area and El Coyote was a big part of my life and I have nothing but fond memories of the place.<br />
It&#8217;s one of the places I truly missed when I loved to another state.<br />
At least 3 times a year I come back to L.A. and Coyote is one of the places I always go. I love and miss the food, the crowd, the place&#8230;and the margaritas.<br />
On my fridge I have a postcard of an artist&#8217;s rendition of the restaurant.<br />
When my friend (who worked up the street at Television City and would frequent the Coyote for lunch&#8230;a lot) sent me an e-mail telling me that the manager gave money for Prop 8, I felt as if I found out that an old friend that I thought I knew was in the KKK.<br />
He told me that there was going to be a boycott of the restaurant. To which I agreed.<br />
Then I thought about it:<br />
Marge gave $100. Once.<br />
The restaurant has been SUPPORTING the community for how long???<br />
Decades. DECADES.<br />
Plus, the restaurant is giving $5000 to the Community.<br />
WTF, people. WTF!?!<br />
If she&#8217;s a Mormon in her private life, then that&#8217;s her life. That&#8217;s her belief. Which I so totally don&#8217;t agree with, but I understand that she&#8217;s old and with Mormons those beliefs are indoctrinated from birth. She doesn&#8217;t want to be turned on by her church community. (And they&#8217;re like that. I know Mormons.)<br />
Look. She gave $100 to a despicable piece of legislature. Her BUSINESS has made up for it in spades and will be donating, like, $5000 to the Community! Which I&#8217;m sure doesn&#8217;t make her church very happy. Which is really good!<br />
As much as I hate her private donation, I think her business has made up for it and I&#8217;m going to support her business.<br />
I&#8217;m going to support the people who work there and have families to support.<br />
These are crappy times for people to be out of work and I&#8217;m going to support THEM.<br />
I&#8217;m NOT supporting Marjorie.<br />
I AM supporting her employees.</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Mormon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gay Mormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about intimidation??? This is the very reason why people don&#039;t take gays seriously. Yes, I am greatly saddened by the stance &quot;my&quot; people have taken with El Coyote and Marjorie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about intimidation??? This is the very reason why people don&#8217;t take gays seriously. Yes, I am greatly saddened by the stance &#8220;my&#8221; people have taken with El Coyote and Marjorie.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manaen,

We live in a constitutional democratic republic which allows for protest and freedom of speech (that&#039;s the constitutional part).  But while demonstrations and boycotts are part of our civil inheritance, they are not our form of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manaen,</p>
<p>We live in a constitutional democratic republic which allows for protest and freedom of speech (that&#8217;s the constitutional part).  But while demonstrations and boycotts are part of our civil inheritance, they are not our form of government.</p>
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		<title>By: manaen</title>
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		<dc:creator>manaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy Kincaid,re your comment: &quot;Mob rule isn’t our form of government.&quot;
.
Huh?  Then the demonstrations and boycott are to *support* Marjorie&#039;s right to think, vote, and contribute independently of others&#039; contrary opinions?  The traffic was *not* stopped by a mob for a couple hours?
Those &quot;Mormon Scum&quot; and &quot;Latter-day Hate&quot; banner wavers were protecting our religious freedom *against* mob rule?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy Kincaid,re your comment: &#8220;Mob rule isn’t our form of government.&#8221;<br />
.<br />
Huh?  Then the demonstrations and boycott are to *support* Marjorie&#8217;s right to think, vote, and contribute independently of others&#8217; contrary opinions?  The traffic was *not* stopped by a mob for a couple hours?<br />
Those &#8220;Mormon Scum&#8221; and &#8220;Latter-day Hate&#8221; banner wavers were protecting our religious freedom *against* mob rule?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,

It is yet to be determine whether the vote was legal.  You see, we don&#039;t live in a &quot;democracy&quot;.  We live in a constitutional democratic republic.  Mob rule isn&#039;t our form of government.

52% of the population could not, for example, vote to deny the right to vote to African Americans or the right to assemble to Jews or the right to free speech to women.

I know that you might not think that sexual orientation is similar to race, religion, or sex, but the Supreme Court of California does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,</p>
<p>It is yet to be determine whether the vote was legal.  You see, we don&#8217;t live in a &#8220;democracy&#8221;.  We live in a constitutional democratic republic.  Mob rule isn&#8217;t our form of government.</p>
<p>52% of the population could not, for example, vote to deny the right to vote to African Americans or the right to assemble to Jews or the right to free speech to women.</p>
<p>I know that you might not think that sexual orientation is similar to race, religion, or sex, but the Supreme Court of California does.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Any idiot knows that no one can know the motivations of another person.  So, going around and telling people that they are bigots just doesnt work.

I disagree with you.  I love you, and I am not a bigot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Any idiot knows that no one can know the motivations of another person.  So, going around and telling people that they are bigots just doesnt work.</p>
<p>I disagree with you.  I love you, and I am not a bigot.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bednarz-- the vote ,may have been legal, but the motivation behind it was sheer bigtory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bednarz&#8211; the vote ,may have been legal, but the motivation behind it was sheer bigtory.</p>
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