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	<title>Comments on: Protest In NYC</title>
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		<title>By: Suricou Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/13/6214/comment-page-1#comment-23747</link>
		<dc:creator>Suricou Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Christian news organisations are getting into the swing of reporting now - they are already running everything from &#039;homosexuals are racists&#039; to my personal favourate, &#039;homosexual radicals attack church.&#039; And, of course, *many* articles saying that homosexuals are the intolerant ones, being disrespectful of religious freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Christian news organisations are getting into the swing of reporting now &#8211; they are already running everything from &#8216;homosexuals are racists&#8217; to my personal favourate, &#8216;homosexual radicals attack church.&#8217; And, of course, *many* articles saying that homosexuals are the intolerant ones, being disrespectful of religious freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2iEsBY7LcE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my video&lt;/a&gt; of the event.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2iEsBY7LcE" rel="nofollow">my video</a> of the event.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: elaygee</title>
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		<dc:creator>elaygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the offensive and make a lot of noise and cause traffic jams and be as inconvenient as possible or no one gives a damn. Make a nuisance of yourself, be in the way and scream real loud or they will just ignore your pleas for equality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take the offensive and make a lot of noise and cause traffic jams and be as inconvenient as possible or no one gives a damn. Make a nuisance of yourself, be in the way and scream real loud or they will just ignore your pleas for equality.</p>
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		<title>By: cooner</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/13/6214/comment-page-1#comment-23696</link>
		<dc:creator>cooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we shouldn&#039;t forget, from what I&#039;ve seen, that we&#039;re getting a lot of support from non-gay friends at these rallys and on the Internets as well.

If that&#039;s the case, I think similarly, a lot of these people may not have felt the strong motivation to make a strong statement before, since it didn&#039;t affect them directly, but once the actually SAW Prop 8 and the other measures pass and so profoundly impact their gay friends and family, they also felt the urge to take it to the streets.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we shouldn&#8217;t forget, from what I&#8217;ve seen, that we&#8217;re getting a lot of support from non-gay friends at these rallys and on the Internets as well.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, I think similarly, a lot of these people may not have felt the strong motivation to make a strong statement before, since it didn&#8217;t affect them directly, but once the actually SAW Prop 8 and the other measures pass and so profoundly impact their gay friends and family, they also felt the urge to take it to the streets.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: paul J stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul J stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can drink a beer, just not to excess. I had many hard cider meetings with the members of the priesthood at the farm. Have fun! The members make up the church, not the elders in SLC. Hug a Missionary for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can drink a beer, just not to excess. I had many hard cider meetings with the members of the priesthood at the farm. Have fun! The members make up the church, not the elders in SLC. Hug a Missionary for me!</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh gee, last night I got invited to a Mormon shindig this coming Saturday; a night out with my neighbors at the local bowling alley!  

Not the atmosphere I would think a group of Mormons would take a family-oriented party to…but since we no longer have smoking allowed in the bowling alley I guess…why not? 

I just wonder what my fellow Saints in the Ward would think if I sat back, between my turns at throwing the ball down the lane and I took swigs from a long-necked Bud? 

So, I go to our protest in the morning and then end the night with my Mormon friends?  

Could be interesting.  

&lt;i&gt;(** I wouldn’t really drink the beer.  And I have to find a bright-pink bowler’s shirt by Saturday.) &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh gee, last night I got invited to a Mormon shindig this coming Saturday; a night out with my neighbors at the local bowling alley!  </p>
<p>Not the atmosphere I would think a group of Mormons would take a family-oriented party to…but since we no longer have smoking allowed in the bowling alley I guess…why not? </p>
<p>I just wonder what my fellow Saints in the Ward would think if I sat back, between my turns at throwing the ball down the lane and I took swigs from a long-necked Bud? </p>
<p>So, I go to our protest in the morning and then end the night with my Mormon friends?  </p>
<p>Could be interesting.  </p>
<p><i>(** I wouldn’t really drink the beer.  And I have to find a bright-pink bowler’s shirt by Saturday.) </i></p>
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		<title>By: paul J stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul J stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I educated a lot of ignorant guys in high school by beating the shit out of them when they decided to attempt to bully me. Mind you this was 1973 and I was one 13yo in a school of over 2000. Now my friends have to think about it to remember that I&#039;m gay. I don&#039;t &quot;act&quot; gay,whatever that would mean. I repair almost anything, #200, 6&#039;2&#039;, build cars, all that supposedly macho stuff. I do get VERY militant about my rights when someone  who does not know me or my sexual orientation makes a comment that I deem offensive to myself or any non-straight person. If I&#039;m not as visible as some of my fellow gays it&#039;s not that I&#039;m not working the room one way or another. I&#039;m open and proud and make it known if it&#039;s necessary. My vehicles are flagged out, not as much as some but visible. I have a lot of support from Mormon church members/friends who do NOT follow everything that is sent down from SLC. We need to work the crowd personally from a point of who we know and how they know us. That&#039;s where the change will take place for a lasting result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I educated a lot of ignorant guys in high school by beating the shit out of them when they decided to attempt to bully me. Mind you this was 1973 and I was one 13yo in a school of over 2000. Now my friends have to think about it to remember that I&#8217;m gay. I don&#8217;t &#8220;act&#8221; gay,whatever that would mean. I repair almost anything, #200, 6&#8242;2&#8242;, build cars, all that supposedly macho stuff. I do get VERY militant about my rights when someone  who does not know me or my sexual orientation makes a comment that I deem offensive to myself or any non-straight person. If I&#8217;m not as visible as some of my fellow gays it&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m not working the room one way or another. I&#8217;m open and proud and make it known if it&#8217;s necessary. My vehicles are flagged out, not as much as some but visible. I have a lot of support from Mormon church members/friends who do NOT follow everything that is sent down from SLC. We need to work the crowd personally from a point of who we know and how they know us. That&#8217;s where the change will take place for a lasting result.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he&#039;s right in a lot of ways, but I don&#039;t agree that gays (I know it&#039;s not PC, but I use the term interchangeably with &quot;GLBT,&quot; not just for gay men) only fight back in reaction. The Stonewall riots touched off a wave of gay activism that lasted through the 70s and 80s.

I think the problem is that we&#039;ve become really complacent and comfortable in the last few years. With gay-themed TV shows and various celebrities coming out and increasing acceptance among young people, it&#039;s kind of easy to forget that we are now forbidden to marry in 30 states, and several others don&#039;t offer us any protection from discrimination or hate crimes, to say nothing of our lack of such protection at the federal level.

I think that if anything, the passage of Prop. 8 has imploded the safety bubble a lot of us thought we had (including even me, despite my long-running dissatisfaction with the tame state of gay rights activism). This should really wake a lot of us up to how badly we&#039;re getting screwed around the country, no matter how well Nielsen rates Ellen&#039;s talk show or &quot;Will and Grace.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he&#8217;s right in a lot of ways, but I don&#8217;t agree that gays (I know it&#8217;s not PC, but I use the term interchangeably with &#8220;GLBT,&#8221; not just for gay men) only fight back in reaction. The Stonewall riots touched off a wave of gay activism that lasted through the 70s and 80s.</p>
<p>I think the problem is that we&#8217;ve become really complacent and comfortable in the last few years. With gay-themed TV shows and various celebrities coming out and increasing acceptance among young people, it&#8217;s kind of easy to forget that we are now forbidden to marry in 30 states, and several others don&#8217;t offer us any protection from discrimination or hate crimes, to say nothing of our lack of such protection at the federal level.</p>
<p>I think that if anything, the passage of Prop. 8 has imploded the safety bubble a lot of us thought we had (including even me, despite my long-running dissatisfaction with the tame state of gay rights activism). This should really wake a lot of us up to how badly we&#8217;re getting screwed around the country, no matter how well Nielsen rates Ellen&#8217;s talk show or &#8220;Will and Grace.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MirrorMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MirrorMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not, by nature, a confrontational person, most probably because of the very reasons Mr. Savage has stated (whom I personally admire, BTW). But he is right about one thing. You throw a punch or make an attack, and you deserve what you get, and trust me, it WON&#039;T be pretty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not, by nature, a confrontational person, most probably because of the very reasons Mr. Savage has stated (whom I personally admire, BTW). But he is right about one thing. You throw a punch or make an attack, and you deserve what you get, and trust me, it WON&#8217;T be pretty!</p>
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