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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/13/6225/comment-page-1#comment-30099</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been buying Pepsi instead of Coke ever since I saw they donated to the No on 8 campaign.  Pepsi and Coke are the exact same thing anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been buying Pepsi instead of Coke ever since I saw they donated to the No on 8 campaign.  Pepsi and Coke are the exact same thing anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: werdna</title>
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		<dc:creator>werdna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefano-Yeah, my main point was we don&#039;t have to feel even the slightest twinge of guilt over not eating at McDonald&#039;s. Telling yourself that you&#039;re eating a Big Mac to fight the AFA is no excuse either, people!

As you make clear, the AFA declared victory over a non-event. I guess that&#039;s one way to rack up &quot;wins&quot; when your boycotts are generally ignored far and wide (except as objects of mockery). 

As far as the point about McDonald&#039;s not being part of the NGLCC, you&#039;re correct, it was just one company officer who served on the NGLCC board and he did not do it in any kind of official capacity. I should&#039;ve made clearer that the extent of the company&#039;s direct involvement was donating $20,000 to help sponsor a fundraiser which they don&#039;t plan to do again next year.

Also, it&#039;s worth noting that McDonald&#039;s still includes sexual orientation in its non-discrimnation policy and has at least &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/work/diversity.html?DCSext&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one statement&lt;/a&gt; on its website touting it&#039;s inclusion in HRC&#039;s “Buying for Equality” guide. They&#039;re &quot;neutral&quot; in the sense that they don&#039;t discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. I can live with that kind of neutrality! Please just don&#039;t ask me to eat there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefano-Yeah, my main point was we don&#8217;t have to feel even the slightest twinge of guilt over not eating at McDonald&#8217;s. Telling yourself that you&#8217;re eating a Big Mac to fight the AFA is no excuse either, people!</p>
<p>As you make clear, the AFA declared victory over a non-event. I guess that&#8217;s one way to rack up &#8220;wins&#8221; when your boycotts are generally ignored far and wide (except as objects of mockery). </p>
<p>As far as the point about McDonald&#8217;s not being part of the NGLCC, you&#8217;re correct, it was just one company officer who served on the NGLCC board and he did not do it in any kind of official capacity. I should&#8217;ve made clearer that the extent of the company&#8217;s direct involvement was donating $20,000 to help sponsor a fundraiser which they don&#8217;t plan to do again next year.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s worth noting that McDonald&#8217;s still includes sexual orientation in its non-discrimnation policy and has at least <a href="http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/work/diversity.html?DCSext" rel="nofollow">one statement</a> on its website touting it&#8217;s inclusion in HRC&#8217;s “Buying for Equality” guide. They&#8217;re &#8220;neutral&#8221; in the sense that they don&#8217;t discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. I can live with that kind of neutrality! Please just don&#8217;t ask me to eat there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefano A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Werdna:

I get this part &quot;For the record, you can stop eating at McDonald’s to spite the AFA...&quot; as they ended the Boycott.

I&#039;m still waking up and a bit groggy so I guess I wasn&#039;t debating any point you made, just commenting on the nature of the boycott itself. (LOL)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Werdna:</p>
<p>I get this part &#8220;For the record, you can stop eating at McDonald’s to spite the AFA&#8230;&#8221; as they ended the Boycott.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waking up and a bit groggy so I guess I wasn&#8217;t debating any point you made, just commenting on the nature of the boycott itself. (LOL)</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefano A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Werdna:

I may be misunderstanding your point, but McDonald&#039;s was never involved, i.e. &quot;aligned&quot;,  with the Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce in the first place. 

Richard Ellis joined the GLCC as a personal decision outside of any role he held with his employer McDonald&#039;s,  just as the reason he resigned from the GLCC was that the GLCC is a US organization and he accepted a new position with McDonald&#039;s in Canada.

What McDonald&#039;s was &quot;aligned&quot; with was Richard Ellis, their employee, and his right as an individual to be involved in the GLCC as a matter of personal choice.

The whole AFA brouha was AFA saying because Ellis worked for McDonald&#039;s the corporation was a member of the GLCC.

Also, pay careful attention to the wording by McDonald&#039;s in that first quote.

&lt;blockquote&gt;as &lt;b&gt;defined by&lt;/b&gt; the American Family Association&lt;/blockquote&gt;

McDonald&#039;s has a rather different take on why they support diversity and inclusion than as defined by the AFA as a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;. McDonald&#039;s defines their support of diversion and inclusion in the workplace as that of civil rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Werdna:</p>
<p>I may be misunderstanding your point, but McDonald&#8217;s was never involved, i.e. &#8220;aligned&#8221;,  with the Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce in the first place. </p>
<p>Richard Ellis joined the GLCC as a personal decision outside of any role he held with his employer McDonald&#8217;s,  just as the reason he resigned from the GLCC was that the GLCC is a US organization and he accepted a new position with McDonald&#8217;s in Canada.</p>
<p>What McDonald&#8217;s was &#8220;aligned&#8221; with was Richard Ellis, their employee, and his right as an individual to be involved in the GLCC as a matter of personal choice.</p>
<p>The whole AFA brouha was AFA saying because Ellis worked for McDonald&#8217;s the corporation was a member of the GLCC.</p>
<p>Also, pay careful attention to the wording by McDonald&#8217;s in that first quote.</p>
<blockquote><p>as <b>defined by</b> the American Family Association</p></blockquote>
<p>McDonald&#8217;s has a rather different take on why they support diversity and inclusion than as defined by the AFA as a &#8220;homosexual agenda&#8221;. McDonald&#8217;s defines their support of diversion and inclusion in the workplace as that of civil rights.</p>
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		<title>By: werdna</title>
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		<dc:creator>werdna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, you can stop eating at McDonald&#039;s to spite the AFA: the restaurant chain seem to have decided not to renew their membership in the National Gay &amp; Lesbian Chamber of Commerce. AFA has declared victory and has resumed stuffing their faces with cheap burgers, sodas and fries. 

Newsy articles &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christiantoday.com/article/profamily.group.ends.mcdonalds.boycott/21636.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=77515&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/oct/08101003.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. 


From the Lifesitenews article:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In an email to its franchise owners, McDonald&#039;s said, &quot;It is our policy to not be involved in political and social issues. McDonald&#039;s remains neutral on same sex marriage or any &#039;homosexual agenda&#039; as defined by the American Family Association.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given the source (biased &quot;news&quot; sites via the AFA) I&#039;m not sure how much faith I&#039;d put in the accuracy of the quoted email.

Real(er) news item &lt;a href=&quot;http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/oct/10/business/chi-fri-mcdonalds-boycott-oct10&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.


&lt;blockquote&gt;The economic impact of the boycott is unclear; McDonald’s sales have continued to be strong. But Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association, said the boycott was a success. “The fact of the matter is they’ve done what we’ve asked them to do,” he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, you can stop eating at McDonald&#8217;s to spite the AFA: the restaurant chain seem to have decided not to renew their membership in the National Gay &amp; Lesbian Chamber of Commerce. AFA has declared victory and has resumed stuffing their faces with cheap burgers, sodas and fries. </p>
<p>Newsy articles <a href="http://www.christiantoday.com/article/profamily.group.ends.mcdonalds.boycott/21636.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>,  <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=77515" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/oct/08101003.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>
<p>From the Lifesitenews article:</p>
<blockquote><p>In an email to its franchise owners, McDonald&#8217;s said, &#8220;It is our policy to not be involved in political and social issues. McDonald&#8217;s remains neutral on same sex marriage or any &#8216;homosexual agenda&#8217; as defined by the American Family Association.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Given the source (biased &#8220;news&#8221; sites via the AFA) I&#8217;m not sure how much faith I&#8217;d put in the accuracy of the quoted email.</p>
<p>Real(er) news item <a href="http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/oct/10/business/chi-fri-mcdonalds-boycott-oct10" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The economic impact of the boycott is unclear; McDonald’s sales have continued to be strong. But Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association, said the boycott was a success. “The fact of the matter is they’ve done what we’ve asked them to do,” he said.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/13/6225/comment-page-1#comment-23921</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look here:
http://www.pepsico.com/PEP_Company/BrandsCompanies/index.cfm

Each subdivision has it&#039;s own list of products and brands.  They include Pepsi-Cola, Frito-Lay, Gatorade, Tropicana, and Quaker products.

You&#039;ll have to click on each brand on the top left to get the list of products.



&lt;b&gt;A few of the more healthy options of support:&lt;/b&gt;

Aquafina - Water

Lipton Brisk, Ice Teas

Ocean Spray juices

SoBe juice drinks

Tropicana Lemonade, Twister, and punches

LIFE Cereal

King Vitamin Cereal

Rice-A-Roni (depends on how you cook it)

Baked Lays


There&#039;s more, I just thought this list would be a good way to point out it isn&#039;t exclusively junkfood.  There are some healthier options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look here:<br />
<a href="http://www.pepsico.com/PEP_Company/BrandsCompanies/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.pepsico.com/PEP_Company/BrandsCompanies/index.cfm</a></p>
<p>Each subdivision has it&#8217;s own list of products and brands.  They include Pepsi-Cola, Frito-Lay, Gatorade, Tropicana, and Quaker products.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll have to click on each brand on the top left to get the list of products.</p>
<p><b>A few of the more healthy options of support:</b></p>
<p>Aquafina &#8211; Water</p>
<p>Lipton Brisk, Ice Teas</p>
<p>Ocean Spray juices</p>
<p>SoBe juice drinks</p>
<p>Tropicana Lemonade, Twister, and punches</p>
<p>LIFE Cereal</p>
<p>King Vitamin Cereal</p>
<p>Rice-A-Roni (depends on how you cook it)</p>
<p>Baked Lays</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more, I just thought this list would be a good way to point out it isn&#8217;t exclusively junkfood.  There are some healthier options.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[i]Why can’t they boycott cool stuff?[/i]

Maybe their real goal is to ruin our health?  If so, watch for a Krispy Kreme boycott any day now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[i]Why can’t they boycott cool stuff?[/i]</p>
<p>Maybe their real goal is to ruin our health?  If so, watch for a Krispy Kreme boycott any day now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HappyCat, thanks for the heads up, but it still felt wonderful to blame Donald Wildmon&#039;s face for the recession.

I hardly ever drink soda anyway, and when I do (once a week at most), I limit myself to a can of ginger ale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HappyCat, thanks for the heads up, but it still felt wonderful to blame Donald Wildmon&#8217;s face for the recession.</p>
<p>I hardly ever drink soda anyway, and when I do (once a week at most), I limit myself to a can of ginger ale.</p>
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		<title>By: HappyCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>HappyCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is better to just send your own E mail.  E-mails from the AFA site actually count as those that support the AFA as what is actuelly written isn&#039;t read.

Hey, I lucked out on this one, I am a Pepsi Drinker.  I feel for my Coke drinking Friends.  But I am right there with you on the McDaonalds, And the Clown caved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is better to just send your own E mail.  E-mails from the AFA site actually count as those that support the AFA as what is actuelly written isn&#8217;t read.</p>
<p>Hey, I lucked out on this one, I am a Pepsi Drinker.  I feel for my Coke drinking Friends.  But I am right there with you on the McDaonalds, And the Clown caved.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange.  They&#039;re planning yet another boycott (which they&#039;ve been doing roughly month for the past decade or more) and it&#039;s &quot;standing up for what they believe in&quot;.  Yet we who are boycotting businesses because they, their owners or other high-ranking officials donated to &quot;Yes-on-8&quot;, are intolerant haters who want to ruin businesses.  

The &quot;logic&quot; of some people astounds me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange.  They&#8217;re planning yet another boycott (which they&#8217;ve been doing roughly month for the past decade or more) and it&#8217;s &#8220;standing up for what they believe in&#8221;.  Yet we who are boycotting businesses because they, their owners or other high-ranking officials donated to &#8220;Yes-on-8&#8243;, are intolerant haters who want to ruin businesses.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;logic&#8221; of some people astounds me.</p>
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