You are speading untruthful claims.

1. The owner is not giving in the manner in which you claim. To the best of all knowledge, neither the owner nor the family are giving a cent to either overturn Prop 8 OR any other gay cause.

Incidentally, the family charitable trust (The Blanche March Foundation) has not given one red cent to a gay or AIDS cause in at least the past three years.

2. Employees collected money in response to the boycott and gave it to repeal Proposition 8 after the protesters were outside.

3. The Restaurant may give to a gay charity, some day. That promise to give is now eight days old. I wonder if it will EVER materialize.

4. Margie has not apologized either for her contributions or for her deception to those who patronized the restaurant after her contribution.

If you want to eat there, by all means do so. But don’t go about selling falsehoods and half-truths.

(And I’m curious… just where were you standing. You weren’t the guy by the side door with the scowl and the crossed arms, were you?)

I spoke with the owner and this is what they have done

Donated $500 to repeal Prop 8

Are giving lots of money to 5 top gay charities

Will host benefits for other gay groups

and most importantly have appologized

Standing in front of a restaurant and taunting people for going in is not the way to get your point across. I stood there and watched and saw it happen

This we agree on 100%. Polls showed Pro 8 losing badly as late as September. We were caught sleeping, and we didn’t know the Prop 8 people would change the argument and start telling lies about churches losing their tax exempt status or pastors going to jail for hate speech. Enough people who were ignorant on the issue were persuaded.

“I disagree that protesting at churches and boycotting individual supporters helps your cause”

Again, both Scott and Margie were special cases because of the businesses where they worked and neither one were simply “employees”. In general, individual supporters are not being boycotted.

I sense a lack of appreciation for the arguments or reasons that people oppose gay marriage. I think if there had been more positive marchs before the election and more positive engagement (much like the marchs now), the vote could have been different. There seems to be too much blaming.

If I understand correctly, you guys feel this is purely a civil rights issue and that you can’t be denied it. The courts will show if that is a correct assumption or not. The truth is not everyone sees it the same as you. How you choose to deal with that may or may not affect the outcome. I don’t think the campaign ever dealt with concerns of prop 8 supporters, which, through time, may resolve themselves.

I disagree that protesting at churches and boycotting individual supporters helps your cause. It will interesting to see how everything plays out.

[...]businesses who rely on gays for financial support realize they can’t take our money and stab us in the back anymore, maybe they’ll reconsider how they vote on gay issues.

I think that this should also apply to the “gay” vote. Politicians that rely on gays for their vote and support and then stab us in the back, I.E. Clinton and DOMA, Clinton and DADT, etc. had better start taking notice of our unrest.

Screw me once, shame on you.
Screw me twice, shame on me.

Yes, those days are OVER!

““Gays want to put out of business anyone that supported gay marriage. So if you voted yes, you must close down your business.””

And I said that’s not true, we’ve never said that, which YOU distorted and reinterpreted to mean

“you don’t want marjorie out of business? Then why are the protestors yelling “shame, shame, shame,” to anyone who walks into the restaurant? Calling patrons supporters of hate!!!”

Which is completely different. VOTING Yes and GIVING MONEY to Yes are two completely different things. I won’t give money to a business where the owner’s child (NOT an employee as you said) gave money against me. Only a fool would do so.

“These attacks are personal because the action were done by people. You are not boycotting CMT or el coyote because the businesses did nothing!!! Two employees did!!! If these two people leave, you will stop boycotting, right!!! So, it is a personal attack!!!”
First of all, your whole mind reading crap is annoying. Don’t tell me “why” I’m doing something, and I’ll do the same for you. The attacks by Marjorie and Scott were personal, as they both made their livings off of gay people, and both of them were in very high up positions. Not just “employees”. They very much so represented those businesses.

And you’re smug condescending BS about “this isn’t changing any minds” is way out of line. I know people like you would very much like it if we just sat on our hands and hoped really hard that people will change their minds if we say pretty pretty please. But those days are over. When businesses who rely on gays for financial support realize they can’t take our money and stab us in the back anymore, maybe they’ll reconsider how they vote on gay issues.

First of all, the opponents during the 60′s didn’t consider it a civil rights issue. Nor were women voting a civil rights issue. Nor was interracial marriage, etc, etc.
Opponents to civil rights rarely, if ever, see themselves as anything but “good people” who are just “doing what’s right.” History, however, has a different take on the matter in the end.

And it’s not just gays that see it as a civil rights issue. Coretta Scott King and Rosa Parks see it as a Civil Rights issue, too. As does Governor Schwarzenegger, and a lot of other people like Molly Ringwald, Samuel L. Jackson, Brad Pitt, all these people aren’t gay. All these non-gay people seem to get it.

And we were 4 points shy of winning. 4 points. It was a landslide 8 years ago, this time, not so much. The trend over the past 30 years has been in favor of increasing support. If this vote had been next year, rather than this year, it’s entirely likely that we would’ve won, or at the very least lost by a much smaller margin.

Whether Marjorie seeks another job (unlikely at her age) isn’t the issue. We object to the profits of our purchases being used against us. If Margie is part of the ownership of another restaurant, I’ll not go there either.

And perhaps you misunderstand. The protest against El Coyote is not because we lost, exactly. It’s because we were betrayed by Margie. I wouldn’t eat there again either way.

As for Scott Eckern working again, that’s a bit tougher. It may be difficult for him to find work in the theater world, just as it might be difficult for someone who supports racial discrimination to find an NFL team to hire him.

Perhaps Eckern can find work in the drama department at BYU or somewhere else that believes that gay people should accept “good enough” rights and not get all uppity and demand equal rights.