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	<title>Comments on: A Report from the Los Angeles March</title>
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		<title>By: Blair Slavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair Slavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in that march as well. It did seem to end without a real point. Supposedly we were to march around city hall and end up in some park for some kind of festival. But it ended for us near Phillipe&#039;s Resturant. People would come to the end of a roped off area and no where else to go. Since there seemed to be no leader we went to the train station and took the Subway home. Was a great start, but a sad ending. 

Though I still say, we have a double fight on our hands. The leaders of the No On 8 produced a totally lame campaign and did their best to not include any gay couples into the commercials to make it a personal thing. How much stronger and more powerful the commercials if people knew how much marriage means to us, the same way it means so much to them. But no.  Seems like the No On 8 people were ashamed of Gay People and to keep us away. So we unfortunately have to fight for our rights both out in the public and amongst our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in that march as well. It did seem to end without a real point. Supposedly we were to march around city hall and end up in some park for some kind of festival. But it ended for us near Phillipe&#8217;s Resturant. People would come to the end of a roped off area and no where else to go. Since there seemed to be no leader we went to the train station and took the Subway home. Was a great start, but a sad ending. </p>
<p>Though I still say, we have a double fight on our hands. The leaders of the No On 8 produced a totally lame campaign and did their best to not include any gay couples into the commercials to make it a personal thing. How much stronger and more powerful the commercials if people knew how much marriage means to us, the same way it means so much to them. But no.  Seems like the No On 8 people were ashamed of Gay People and to keep us away. So we unfortunately have to fight for our rights both out in the public and amongst our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Louie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad the voter turn out wasn&#039;t stronger in San Francisco county this year as it was in 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad the voter turn out wasn&#8217;t stronger in San Francisco county this year as it was in 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kevin,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I feel compelled to say that at the San Francisco rally, a strong African American (both straight and gay) was felt.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is so very encouraging.  I wonder if it&#039;s because The City is so very small geographically that everyone has to work together.  

I hope that our communities in LA and other places in the state find a way to communicate better.  I know many of the leaders in the African American community get it, but I fear we are not reaching the average person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kevin,</p>
<blockquote><p>I feel compelled to say that at the San Francisco rally, a strong African American (both straight and gay) was felt.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is so very encouraging.  I wonder if it&#8217;s because The City is so very small geographically that everyone has to work together.  </p>
<p>I hope that our communities in LA and other places in the state find a way to communicate better.  I know many of the leaders in the African American community get it, but I fear we are not reaching the average person.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel compelled to say that at the San Francisco rally, a strong African American (both straight and gay) was felt.  Several straight AA ministers took the stage and railed against the bigotry of the anti-gay supporters of Prop 8 and made numerous comparisons between the struggle for equal rights between the straight African American community and the wider LGBT community.  Also, I personally stood beside many lesbian and gay people of color, including black people, for most of the rally.

Maybe things are just different in San Francisco, but since Prop 8 passed, our marches and rallies have been extremely diverse, both racially, in gender, and (it must be said) many supportive straight allies.

I guess we&#039;re just lucky that way?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel compelled to say that at the San Francisco rally, a strong African American (both straight and gay) was felt.  Several straight AA ministers took the stage and railed against the bigotry of the anti-gay supporters of Prop 8 and made numerous comparisons between the struggle for equal rights between the straight African American community and the wider LGBT community.  Also, I personally stood beside many lesbian and gay people of color, including black people, for most of the rally.</p>
<p>Maybe things are just different in San Francisco, but since Prop 8 passed, our marches and rallies have been extremely diverse, both racially, in gender, and (it must be said) many supportive straight allies.</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;re just lucky that way?!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for reporting, Timothy!

I attended the rally and march in Los Angeles and me and my friends were wondering why everyone was turning around. At the beginning, we were pretty much at the front of the line but as we came around back to City Hall we stopped to get water and a snack.

As we rejoined the march and walked down to Chinatown, we saw people walking back and so we were confused. And then we saw a gang of cop cars with their sirens blasting heading down toward the park and that&#039;s when we decided that the march was probably over. 

I thought it was a great success and I was touched by the reactions that we got from people (bystanders) after the march had ended and we headed back to Hollywood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reporting, Timothy!</p>
<p>I attended the rally and march in Los Angeles and me and my friends were wondering why everyone was turning around. At the beginning, we were pretty much at the front of the line but as we came around back to City Hall we stopped to get water and a snack.</p>
<p>As we rejoined the march and walked down to Chinatown, we saw people walking back and so we were confused. And then we saw a gang of cop cars with their sirens blasting heading down toward the park and that&#8217;s when we decided that the march was probably over. </p>
<p>I thought it was a great success and I was touched by the reactions that we got from people (bystanders) after the march had ended and we headed back to Hollywood.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSteel</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSteel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  The LA Times coverage (or lack thereof) was a complete disappointment.  The planning behind this protest was patronizing.  To suggest that we all protest to ourselves in a park, in the middle of nowhere, is ludicrous.  When I heard the music and saw the stage, I turned around like everyone else.  The Police golf cart ordered us to go back and protest in the park.  Which caused someone to shout, &quot;Fuck you!&quot;  I ended up just ditching as I watched everything fizzle.

Also, listening to the politicians was nothing short of irritating.  I appreciate their support, but they were missing the point.  The most moving speech was from that one daughter (unfortunately I don&#039;t recall her name) talking about how Prop 8 made her feel like she didn&#039;t exist.  When the mayor of West Hollywood started to go in to his long winded speech everyone chanted &quot;March!&quot; but he tried to talk over them until he gave up.

If all those politicians wanted to take credit for this, they really should have tried to actually make the protest worthy of it&#039;s cause.  They look just as ineffectual and flaccid as they did before November 4th.  Preaching to the choir does not help.  People at &quot;the top&quot; don&#039;t seem to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  The LA Times coverage (or lack thereof) was a complete disappointment.  The planning behind this protest was patronizing.  To suggest that we all protest to ourselves in a park, in the middle of nowhere, is ludicrous.  When I heard the music and saw the stage, I turned around like everyone else.  The Police golf cart ordered us to go back and protest in the park.  Which caused someone to shout, &#8220;Fuck you!&#8221;  I ended up just ditching as I watched everything fizzle.</p>
<p>Also, listening to the politicians was nothing short of irritating.  I appreciate their support, but they were missing the point.  The most moving speech was from that one daughter (unfortunately I don&#8217;t recall her name) talking about how Prop 8 made her feel like she didn&#8217;t exist.  When the mayor of West Hollywood started to go in to his long winded speech everyone chanted &#8220;March!&#8221; but he tried to talk over them until he gave up.</p>
<p>If all those politicians wanted to take credit for this, they really should have tried to actually make the protest worthy of it&#8217;s cause.  They look just as ineffectual and flaccid as they did before November 4th.  Preaching to the choir does not help.  People at &#8220;the top&#8221; don&#8217;t seem to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Timothy, for the link! And for the great write up here. Boxturtle Bulletin is an awesome site!

The park was so like the Twilight Zone episode, where evil Billy Mumy puts people in &quot;the Cornfield.&quot; That&#039;s what I kept thinking: &quot;Oh noes, they&#039;re putting us in the Cornfield.&quot; However, considering the city absorbed all the costs of the cops, the street closures, permits, portapotties, etc ::shrug:: Though I would have preferred a short walk to a closer location and no more speeches. But them I am a lazy thing, and at least there were places to grab water along the way--and wow, the organizers did pull off something really freaking HUGE and all the participants--especially the crowd--made it so loving and hopeful and moving and inspirational.

It was great to see you and everyone, all the many thousands of us all, gay and straight, united for a common and greater good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Timothy, for the link! And for the great write up here. Boxturtle Bulletin is an awesome site!</p>
<p>The park was so like the Twilight Zone episode, where evil Billy Mumy puts people in &#8220;the Cornfield.&#8221; That&#8217;s what I kept thinking: &#8220;Oh noes, they&#8217;re putting us in the Cornfield.&#8221; However, considering the city absorbed all the costs of the cops, the street closures, permits, portapotties, etc ::shrug:: Though I would have preferred a short walk to a closer location and no more speeches. But them I am a lazy thing, and at least there were places to grab water along the way&#8211;and wow, the organizers did pull off something really freaking HUGE and all the participants&#8211;especially the crowd&#8211;made it so loving and hopeful and moving and inspirational.</p>
<p>It was great to see you and everyone, all the many thousands of us all, gay and straight, united for a common and greater good.</p>
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