Comments on: The Vatican vs. The APA

By: aids-write.org » Blog Archive » 3 of 4 from box turtle bulletin: uk bishops nix homophobic language (1087)

Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:08:45 +0000

[...] think maybe they need to address these instructions to some of the guys at the [...]

By: aids-write.org » Blog Archive » 2 of 4 from box turtle bulletin: baloney from mahoney on gay marriage initiative (1086)

Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:59:22 +0000

[...] And that while he actively seeks to eliminate any measure of equality for same-sex attracted persons either in society or in the Church, he values them as equal members of the Body of Christ. You’re equal in the eyes of God, you see, but dogma and doctrine require that you be treated as intrinsically disordered, not to be protected from death sentences, and psychologically suspect due to your “deep-seated homosexual tendencies.” [...]

By: Ephilei

Ephilei — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:36:03 +0000

I’m very curious to know what how this test measures homosexuality. Namely,

*If can someone lie their way thru it? Like the Jones/Yarhouse test? If so, why are they kicking out people for being honest?
*If they can’t lie thru it (if such a thing were possible), and someone who has “successfully” gone thru reparative therapy takes it, will they prove reparative therapy doesn’t work? Won’t they demonstrate that homosexualty cannot be chosen, only celibacy, thus exposing more problems that they’re fixing?

Has the Vatican allowed heterosexuals who were unchaste during the past three years? I’m guessing they don’t, so isn’t this hypocritical to allow heterosexual extramarital sex but not homosexual?

By: Lynn David

Lynn David — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:05:26 +0000

All they have to do is hire Nicolosian clones. And since the Catholic Medical Association has cloned the Catholic catechism to produce their document on homosexuality (see: http://www.cathmed.org/publications/homosexualityarticle.htm), then the US Church is in spades. They don’t have to worry at all about the APA.

By: Bill Ware

Bill Ware — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:00:10 +0000

As a former APA member, let me mention that being an APA member is not always required to practice psychology, even at the PhD level.

Most government agencies, hospitals and other health care facilities, and a great many private employers require APA membership for employment in the area. They know without further vetting that the person will have met certain education and training requirements, abides by certain ethical standards, receives so many hours of continuing education each year and so on.

Yet there is no “legal” requirement that any employer require APA membership and of course, a person can enter private practice with his or her PhD diploma on the wall, and never mention to the clients that he or she is not an APA member.

So the Catholic seminaries can hire psychologists for the purposes you have mentioned from those who are otherwise qualified yet are not APA members. Membership might be the “Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval,” and indeed commands a salary premium, yet other options are available.

So if you find a psychologist violating APA standards or an employer using psychologists in an unethical way when compared to APA standards, and confront these situations, and the person(s) involved simply say, “Well, I’m not an APA member,” then there’s really little more one can do.

By: Louie

Louie — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:18:18 +0000

Of course they will have someone left to be a priest, women! Oh, wait. I guess they can't. Oops!

By: Patrick

Patrick — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:52:33 +0000

Once they’re rid of the pedophiles and of the gays (2 different types of people of course), will they have anyone left to be a priest?