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	<title>Comments on: Civil Disobedience in San Francisco</title>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/17/6689/comment-page-1#comment-53447</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, please lay off preaching to people who take more risks than you do.  I, for one, have no interest in &quot;dialogue.&quot;  I don&#039;t want straight people to like me, love me, understand me, or even necessarily talk to me.  I just want my rights as a citizen to be respected.  Those Christians you mention can hate me all they want--it&#039;s their prerogative.  But I refuse to collude in my own oppression anymore.  I plan to act as a married couple regardless of what the law says and if the law discriminates against me I will nonviolently resist without regard for the consequences to myself.  The actions of the heterosexual majority to defend its own privilege shall be on their own heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, please lay off preaching to people who take more risks than you do.  I, for one, have no interest in &#8220;dialogue.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t want straight people to like me, love me, understand me, or even necessarily talk to me.  I just want my rights as a citizen to be respected.  Those Christians you mention can hate me all they want&#8211;it&#8217;s their prerogative.  But I refuse to collude in my own oppression anymore.  I plan to act as a married couple regardless of what the law says and if the law discriminates against me I will nonviolently resist without regard for the consequences to myself.  The actions of the heterosexual majority to defend its own privilege shall be on their own heads.</p>
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		<title>By: castro resident</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/17/6689/comment-page-1#comment-24929</link>
		<dc:creator>castro resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kudos to Ryan and others who are willing to sacrifice in this way to drive home the message that prop 8 passage was a huge harm to people and that the community (including all of its allies) won&#039;t simply walk away quietly.

let me clarify a few things. this act on saturday wasn&#039;t the only civil disobedience. the various marches around the city (most w/ police escort) were not permitted or approved--at least that is my belief. so, those were acts of civil disobedience as well. thousands marching in the streets and impeding traffic. the police just happened to decide to let them carry on (though i was pushed a bit by one officer when they decided they didn&#039;t like us on the opposite of traffic anymore). the act mentioned above was an act that police decided to arrest over. so, for all those folks who think they couldn&#039;t ever do &quot;civil disobedience&quot; yet took part in one of the marches...guess what!

also, the opening of the post above gives me the impression that while most actions have been peaceful (doing what we were told, staying on the route, etc), this highway blockage was different. actually, you can have civil disobedience AND be peaceful. this group did exactly that. i just wanted to clarify b/c the way the story was introduced, it made it sound like highway blockage by sitting down was not a peaceful action.

thanks all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kudos to Ryan and others who are willing to sacrifice in this way to drive home the message that prop 8 passage was a huge harm to people and that the community (including all of its allies) won&#8217;t simply walk away quietly.</p>
<p>let me clarify a few things. this act on saturday wasn&#8217;t the only civil disobedience. the various marches around the city (most w/ police escort) were not permitted or approved&#8211;at least that is my belief. so, those were acts of civil disobedience as well. thousands marching in the streets and impeding traffic. the police just happened to decide to let them carry on (though i was pushed a bit by one officer when they decided they didn&#8217;t like us on the opposite of traffic anymore). the act mentioned above was an act that police decided to arrest over. so, for all those folks who think they couldn&#8217;t ever do &#8220;civil disobedience&#8221; yet took part in one of the marches&#8230;guess what!</p>
<p>also, the opening of the post above gives me the impression that while most actions have been peaceful (doing what we were told, staying on the route, etc), this highway blockage was different. actually, you can have civil disobedience AND be peaceful. this group did exactly that. i just wanted to clarify b/c the way the story was introduced, it made it sound like highway blockage by sitting down was not a peaceful action.</p>
<p>thanks all!</p>
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		<title>By: Buffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to everyone who participated.  Plenty of people engage in all manner of behavior or refuse to do their jobs, etc and claim their &quot;deeply held religious beliefs&quot; as the reason.  There is no reason we should feel guilty for engaging in protests, boycotts and even civil disobedience for ethical/human rights stances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to everyone who participated.  Plenty of people engage in all manner of behavior or refuse to do their jobs, etc and claim their &#8220;deeply held religious beliefs&#8221; as the reason.  There is no reason we should feel guilty for engaging in protests, boycotts and even civil disobedience for ethical/human rights stances.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Kerian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Kerian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all of the wonderful comments, everyone!  As you can see, I think that non-violent and peaceful direct action can have a great impact and send a strong message.  I firmly believe that this is a civil rights issue and that non-violent, peaceful civil disobedience can play a significant role in the fight for civil rights, as it has in the past.

I&#039;d like to say something about why the action took place in San Francisco.  Personally, I felt it was important to do an action in the place I lived -- not only because it is my community - but because, in a sense, I thought at the time that many eyes would be on San Francisco.  I would love to see people organize actions in their own communities, or in other communities that they are moved to take their message to.  Importantly, I really hope that people are encouraged to take to the streets to express their feelings, have their voices heard and share their personal stories.  Above all, we will not be silent.  As Harvey Milk once said, &quot;hope will never be silent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of the wonderful comments, everyone!  As you can see, I think that non-violent and peaceful direct action can have a great impact and send a strong message.  I firmly believe that this is a civil rights issue and that non-violent, peaceful civil disobedience can play a significant role in the fight for civil rights, as it has in the past.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to say something about why the action took place in San Francisco.  Personally, I felt it was important to do an action in the place I lived &#8212; not only because it is my community &#8211; but because, in a sense, I thought at the time that many eyes would be on San Francisco.  I would love to see people organize actions in their own communities, or in other communities that they are moved to take their message to.  Importantly, I really hope that people are encouraged to take to the streets to express their feelings, have their voices heard and share their personal stories.  Above all, we will not be silent.  As Harvey Milk once said, &#8220;hope will never be silent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though we must harm no one, our first duty is to the Truth.  It is our responsibility to ensure that this debate clearly, openly, and with the greatest transparency examines the implications of allowing a faith-based initiative to become law, as it has now in most of the Union.

&quot;PERHAPS the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.&quot;   -Thomas Paine (1737-1809). Common Sense, 1776</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though we must harm no one, our first duty is to the Truth.  It is our responsibility to ensure that this debate clearly, openly, and with the greatest transparency examines the implications of allowing a faith-based initiative to become law, as it has now in most of the Union.</p>
<p>&#8220;PERHAPS the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.&#8221;   -Thomas Paine (1737-1809). Common Sense, 1776</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ryan for the very moving account of your experience. Going to jail for justice is in the highest tradition of civil rights and social justice.  Thanks from someone who couldn&#039;t be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ryan for the very moving account of your experience. Going to jail for justice is in the highest tradition of civil rights and social justice.  Thanks from someone who couldn&#8217;t be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you happen to follow Soulforce, their folks have been arrested several times this past summer just by trying to talk to Christian fundamentalists on their college campuses.&quot;

True, only wish soulforce could be bigger to be able and visit all the campusus.  Even though they get arrested, they ussually get ppl talking, which... if maybe not a whole lot, is better than the whole lot of nothing concerning gay rights.  Might even get some students thinking instead of simply breathing in the &#039;tradition&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you happen to follow Soulforce, their folks have been arrested several times this past summer just by trying to talk to Christian fundamentalists on their college campuses.&#8221;</p>
<p>True, only wish soulforce could be bigger to be able and visit all the campusus.  Even though they get arrested, they ussually get ppl talking, which&#8230; if maybe not a whole lot, is better than the whole lot of nothing concerning gay rights.  Might even get some students thinking instead of simply breathing in the &#8216;tradition&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: zortnac</title>
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		<dc:creator>zortnac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you thank you for your courage and sacrifice :-)

Acts of civil disobedience can still be perfectly peaceful and principled, as I think this example illustrates.  I&#039;m going to keep that in mind when I see the religious right attempt to paint this with words like &quot;lawlessness,&quot; &quot;riotous,&quot; and &quot;violent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you thank you for your courage and sacrifice :-)</p>
<p>Acts of civil disobedience can still be perfectly peaceful and principled, as I think this example illustrates.  I&#8217;m going to keep that in mind when I see the religious right attempt to paint this with words like &#8220;lawlessness,&#8221; &#8220;riotous,&#8221; and &#8220;violent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a lot to expect, but are there any applicable people in the CA government willing to perform same-sex marriages and risk arrest/firing? Or, is any county willing to follow Kern County&#039;s protest and not allow any marriages until same-sex marriage is restored? Just putting that out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a lot to expect, but are there any applicable people in the CA government willing to perform same-sex marriages and risk arrest/firing? Or, is any county willing to follow Kern County&#8217;s protest and not allow any marriages until same-sex marriage is restored? Just putting that out there.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;replace the lies with truth&#8221; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nonviolence in the Face of Prop 8</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;replace the lies with truth&#8221; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nonviolence in the Face of Prop 8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a side note, I do agree with Jim Burroway that the vast majority of protests have been peaceful, but I also know that the likes of Peter [...]</description>
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