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		<title>By: Stefano A</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/18/6725/comment-page-1#comment-27008</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Advocate&lt;/i&gt; has reported that &lt;i&gt;Frontiers&lt;/i&gt; magazine has reported Marj has resigned her position at the restaurant.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bill Schoeppner, a fellow manager at El Coyote, told &lt;i&gt;Frontiers&lt;/i&gt; that Christoffersen tendered her resignation that night. Christoffersen, described on the El Coyote website as the &quot;matriarch&quot; of the 77-year-old restaurant, will also be resigning from the restaurant&#039;s board of directors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid67979.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clicky&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Advocate</i> has reported that <i>Frontiers</i> magazine has reported Marj has resigned her position at the restaurant.</p>
<blockquote><p>Bill Schoeppner, a fellow manager at El Coyote, told <i>Frontiers</i> that Christoffersen tendered her resignation that night. Christoffersen, described on the El Coyote website as the &#8220;matriarch&#8221; of the 77-year-old restaurant, will also be resigning from the restaurant&#8217;s board of directors.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid67979.asp" rel="nofollow">Clicky</a></p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or a Dane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or a Dane.</p>
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		<title>By: SharonB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SharonB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marjorie (Margie) Christofferson is not evil.

She is a good German, er Mormon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marjorie (Margie) Christofferson is not evil.</p>
<p>She is a good German, er Mormon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Werdna - I actually did. Never used RSS much, but I&#039;ll give it a shot. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Werdna &#8211; I actually did. Never used RSS much, but I&#8217;ll give it a shot. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffy</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/18/6725/comment-page-1#comment-25143</link>
		<dc:creator>Buffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s such a bastion of moral fortitude.  Why, she can eradicate the rights of millions of evil gays and bake cookies for the church bake sale simultaneously--all without breaking a sweat! Why are those nasty homos attacking her?  :sarcasm:

Don&#039;t fall for the baloney.  Like my wife I&#039;ve been following some of the Mormon blogs and discussion boards.  They&#039;re both crowing because &quot;moral values&quot; won out and playing the persecution card because we&#039;ve dared to not take it lying down.  They have mighty peculiar notions of how far their &quot;religious freedoms&quot; extend.  One declared, for example, that if another person asked her to not perform posthumous baptisms on *their* deceased relatives she&#039;d consider it an infringement on her right to practice her religion as she saw fit. 

That&#039;s what we&#039;re up against.  People who truly believe their &quot;freedom of religion&quot; extends to forcing us to live according to their religious beliefs by any means possible.  If proselytization isn&#039;t enough then they&#039;ll use force of law to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s such a bastion of moral fortitude.  Why, she can eradicate the rights of millions of evil gays and bake cookies for the church bake sale simultaneously&#8211;all without breaking a sweat! Why are those nasty homos attacking her?  :sarcasm:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fall for the baloney.  Like my wife I&#8217;ve been following some of the Mormon blogs and discussion boards.  They&#8217;re both crowing because &#8220;moral values&#8221; won out and playing the persecution card because we&#8217;ve dared to not take it lying down.  They have mighty peculiar notions of how far their &#8220;religious freedoms&#8221; extend.  One declared, for example, that if another person asked her to not perform posthumous baptisms on *their* deceased relatives she&#8217;d consider it an infringement on her right to practice her religion as she saw fit. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re up against.  People who truly believe their &#8220;freedom of religion&#8221; extends to forcing us to live according to their religious beliefs by any means possible.  If proselytization isn&#8217;t enough then they&#8217;ll use force of law to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: werdna</title>
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		<dc:creator>werdna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaft-If you happen to remember to check back here I wanted to mention that though there&#039;s no automatic notification you can subscribe to BTB&#039;s RSS feed and keep an eye on every new post and comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaft-If you happen to remember to check back here I wanted to mention that though there&#8217;s no automatic notification you can subscribe to BTB&#8217;s RSS feed and keep an eye on every new post and comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kel Munger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kel Munger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay people&#039;s response surprised the Yes on 8 faction because they&#039;re used to us just taking whatever they dish out. We have to respect their religious beliefs, as if those were somehow privileged above our own, but our lives are unworthy of similar respect.

So, yes, our reaction surprised them. We acted like regular people who&#039;ve been disrespected to no end. We stood up and said, &quot;No!&quot; 

And when victims stand up to bullies, it always surprises them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay people&#8217;s response surprised the Yes on 8 faction because they&#8217;re used to us just taking whatever they dish out. We have to respect their religious beliefs, as if those were somehow privileged above our own, but our lives are unworthy of similar respect.</p>
<p>So, yes, our reaction surprised them. We acted like regular people who&#8217;ve been disrespected to no end. We stood up and said, &#8220;No!&#8221; </p>
<p>And when victims stand up to bullies, it always surprises them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sapphocrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sapphocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having lurked on many Mormon blogs and message boards lately to find the answer to the simple question, &quot;&lt;i&gt;WTF&lt;/i&gt; is wrong with these people?!?!&quot;&lt;b&gt;*&lt;/b&gt; I found the whiny blogger&#039;s post tame by comparison -- but it did give me a good laugh:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;A friend of mine told me today that he heard someone say, &#039;Today we are all Mormons.&#039;  That touched me...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s funny -- the first protest sign I came up with for the first post-8 protest we attended was: &quot;WE ARE ALL MORMONS NOW... &lt;i&gt;Whether you like it or not!&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

&lt;b&gt;*&lt;/b&gt; Yes, count me officially among the &quot;anti-Mormon&quot; crowd now. I used to be completely indifferent -- and unawares -- until LDS, Inc., flipped the &quot;on&quot; switch in the brain implants of all its zombie soldiers and attacked my family.

The concerted anti-gay Mormon agenda goes much further back than Prop 8, and we all know it. If I wanted to &lt;i&gt;live&lt;/i&gt; like a g.d. Mormon, I&#039;d &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; a g.d. Mormon. To hell with the LDS -- and I mean that literally, with all the condemnation an ex-Catholic can muster. I&#039;d rather kiss Papa Ratzi&#039;s ring than try to reason with these brain-dead drones.

&lt;i&gt;Whew!&lt;/i&gt; Yes, I do feel better now, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having lurked on many Mormon blogs and message boards lately to find the answer to the simple question, &#8220;<i>WTF</i> is wrong with these people?!?!&#8221;<b>*</b> I found the whiny blogger&#8217;s post tame by comparison &#8212; but it did give me a good laugh:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;A friend of mine told me today that he heard someone say, &#8216;Today we are all Mormons.&#8217;  That touched me&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny &#8212; the first protest sign I came up with for the first post-8 protest we attended was: &#8220;WE ARE ALL MORMONS NOW&#8230; <i>Whether you like it or not!</i>&#8221;</p>
<p><b>*</b> Yes, count me officially among the &#8220;anti-Mormon&#8221; crowd now. I used to be completely indifferent &#8212; and unawares &#8212; until LDS, Inc., flipped the &#8220;on&#8221; switch in the brain implants of all its zombie soldiers and attacked my family.</p>
<p>The concerted anti-gay Mormon agenda goes much further back than Prop 8, and we all know it. If I wanted to <i>live</i> like a g.d. Mormon, I&#8217;d <i>be</i> a g.d. Mormon. To hell with the LDS &#8212; and I mean that literally, with all the condemnation an ex-Catholic can muster. I&#8217;d rather kiss Papa Ratzi&#8217;s ring than try to reason with these brain-dead drones.</p>
<p><i>Whew!</i> Yes, I do feel better now, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh…and one more thing, lee:  

Of all the myriad of special groups in the LDS Church: the young adults, the singles wards, the Asian Wards, the Tongan Wards, the Latino Wards (you get the drift) and special gatherings for the young women and the Relief Society and all the dinner parties and the banquets in the Church:

NOT ONE GAY SUPPORT GROUP IN THE LDS CHURCH.  NOTHING.  NILL.

Forgive me for shouting.   

You can’t say that the LDS Church is anything but a hostile environment for gays.  Keep saying to yourself you have gays in your local Ward.  Keep thinking that.  I want you, Lee, and every other Mormon reading this right now:  LOOK AROUND YOU at Sacrament Meeting this Sunday.   Are there any gays there?   

No…I didn’t think so.   

Classic example of denial.   Massive, rampant denial.   Not even the more liberal LDS Wards in San Francisco or New York could find a gathering of gays &lt;i&gt;sanctioned&lt;/i&gt; by the LDS Church.  They have tried.  The General Authorities at headquarters in Salt Lake City put a lid on any such &lt;b&gt;outreach to gays&lt;/b&gt;…even to chaste gays.     

Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh…and one more thing, lee:  </p>
<p>Of all the myriad of special groups in the LDS Church: the young adults, the singles wards, the Asian Wards, the Tongan Wards, the Latino Wards (you get the drift) and special gatherings for the young women and the Relief Society and all the dinner parties and the banquets in the Church:</p>
<p>NOT ONE GAY SUPPORT GROUP IN THE LDS CHURCH.  NOTHING.  NILL.</p>
<p>Forgive me for shouting.   </p>
<p>You can’t say that the LDS Church is anything but a hostile environment for gays.  Keep saying to yourself you have gays in your local Ward.  Keep thinking that.  I want you, Lee, and every other Mormon reading this right now:  LOOK AROUND YOU at Sacrament Meeting this Sunday.   Are there any gays there?   </p>
<p>No…I didn’t think so.   </p>
<p>Classic example of denial.   Massive, rampant denial.   Not even the more liberal LDS Wards in San Francisco or New York could find a gathering of gays <i>sanctioned</i> by the LDS Church.  They have tried.  The General Authorities at headquarters in Salt Lake City put a lid on any such <b>outreach to gays</b>…even to chaste gays.     </p>
<p>Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, I did leave something off.

...and attack my marriage, the marirages of my firends, and their fmailies and cihldren, all in the name of saving their marriages from the mythical threat of mine.

Now, did i leave anything off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, I did leave something off.</p>
<p>&#8230;and attack my marriage, the marirages of my firends, and their fmailies and cihldren, all in the name of saving their marriages from the mythical threat of mine.</p>
<p>Now, did i leave anything off?</p>
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