Comments on: Vatican’s Intrinsically Disordered Opposition To Decriminalizing Homosexuality

By: frannie schafer

frannie schafer — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:34:50 +0000

The phrase, “intrinsically disordered” rings of Nazi racial politics. Let someone who is a better researcher than I find that prtecise term in a Nazi document and the link between the Hitler Youth child and the Catholic pope adult will be indisputable.

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By: mike/

mike/ — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:13:42 +0000

“Intrinsically Disordered Opposition…”

i love it. this was a concept i heard the nuns and priests use when i was in catholic school. i always thought that “intrinsic” was a church doctrine until i found it in the dictionary.

have you also read that the good archbishop Migliore admitted that the Vatican previously opposed a U.N. motion dealing with rights and benefits for the handicapped, because it did not include “anti-abortion” language?

oh, that’s “intrinsically disordered”. isn’t it…?

not to mention hypocrisy.

one of the best decisions i ever made was leaving the church. actually, i think they forced me out with their actions. the hypocrisy and idiocy turned me into what some people identify as an “existential atheist”. well, i identify that way also.

By: Jim Burroway

Jim Burroway — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:50:09 +0000

Well, to be honest, I suppose we have to pick our battles. Right now, the biggest battle on our plate is marriage in California. It may be a selfish selection — marriage in California vs. gays in Iran — but then I don’t exactly Christians making a big deal over Darfur or the Chaldeans in Iraq during the past election either.

But let’s pose it this way. If the Catholic Church had played the role that Mormons did against my own fellow American citizens, then yes, I’d be at the front of the line.

By: Dave

Dave — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:08:23 +0000

Jim,

You completely miss my point.

The Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church are more respected and have more clout on human rights matters than the various governments that criminalize homosexual acts.

The Vatican is in the position to play the same role in opposing the resolution that the LDS Church played in in promoting the passage of Prop 8. If it does play such a role in defeating the resolution, shouldn’t the Catholic Church get the same treatment as the Mormons got?

By: St. James

St. James — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:31:34 +0000

The UN rsolution is an admirable step forward in the establishment of human rights. The opposition of the Catholic Church is regrettable, in fact, their whole approach is seriously flawed as well as inhumane. It may take another century or two to get the church to come into the real world of contemporary thought (if ever).

LINKS OF INTEEST:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_laws_of_the_world

http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/uploads/rcp.html

http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/content.asp?id=60752

By: Jim Burroway

Jim Burroway — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:25:37 +0000

Dave,

Mormons make up only about 2% of the California electorate, yet they contributed at least 40% of all funds raised to pass Prop 8. If the Catholic Church had cajoled their members to give the way the LDS leaders did theirs, they would have raised, at a minimum, twelve times what the Mormons did.

Meanwhile, leaders of the LDS church also held leadership roles in Prop 8 in a way that Catholic leaders did not.

The protests at LDS temples reflect the very prominent role that LDS leaders chose to actively lead and finance the Pro-prop 8 campaign. Yes, you bet, if the Catholic church had played such a prominent, public role, they’d be a target as well.

The reason we hold Mormons to a higher standard than Catholics is because the Mormons chose to participate at a MUCH higher standard. By chosing to get way out in front of this political campaign, they invited the attention they got. That’s the nature of politics. No one is immune from that.