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	<title>Comments on: LaBarbera Award: Pat Boone</title>
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		<title>By: B Boyak</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/09/7165/comment-page-1#comment-27631</link>
		<dc:creator>B Boyak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Boone, the NEW Anita Bryant!!</description>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/09/7165/comment-page-1#comment-27256</link>
		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to John:

To the best of my knowledge, there haven&#039;t been any protests at synagogues, but why would there be? Jews voted against Prop 8. While the Orthodox are against same-sex marriage, the other streams (which make up the bulk of American Jews) support marriage equality.

Pat&#039;s trying to sound ecumenical. But it&#039;s just another case where he&#039;s wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to John:</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, there haven&#8217;t been any protests at synagogues, but why would there be? Jews voted against Prop 8. While the Orthodox are against same-sex marriage, the other streams (which make up the bulk of American Jews) support marriage equality.</p>
<p>Pat&#8217;s trying to sound ecumenical. But it&#8217;s just another case where he&#8217;s wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/09/7165/comment-page-1#comment-27123</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of being a bit too picky...were there any major (or not so major) demonstrations directed at synagogues, or was that just thrown in there to sound ecumenical???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of being a bit too picky&#8230;were there any major (or not so major) demonstrations directed at synagogues, or was that just thrown in there to sound ecumenical???</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It‘s rather amazing how gay rights groups have gone from being pathetic losers to devious lisping sissies to violent rioters and murderous terrorists in the extremist conservative “mind“ in a matter of weeks.

“First they ignore you.  Then they ridicule you.  Then they fight you.  And then....“  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It‘s rather amazing how gay rights groups have gone from being pathetic losers to devious lisping sissies to violent rioters and murderous terrorists in the extremist conservative “mind“ in a matter of weeks.</p>
<p>“First they ignore you.  Then they ridicule you.  Then they fight you.  And then&#8230;.“  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/09/7165/comment-page-1#comment-27104</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the &#039;truth&#039; about gay people coming from people like Pat Boone?

  Like the truth about black people coming from the Citizen&#039;s Council and the Klan, or the truth about Jews coming from the Nazis.

   Pat Boone was never at ANY of the rallies, or townhall meetings or BEFORE Prop 8, was even at issue...what&#039;s the difference between what Boone or LaBarbera say now, or then?

  He&#039;s reporting from rumors he heard from cowards hiding behind computer monitors.
Had any of them shown up where we were, no one would have recognized them from the rest of the crowd.

   No, I resent this misrepresentation and comparison to what happened in Mumbai.
 Gay people in Islamic countries get EXECUTED, even if they are kids!
THEY don&#039;t even participate in the jihad where THEY live. They aren&#039;t allowed in.

   How do we write him and call him on his obvious LIBEL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the &#8216;truth&#8217; about gay people coming from people like Pat Boone?</p>
<p>  Like the truth about black people coming from the Citizen&#8217;s Council and the Klan, or the truth about Jews coming from the Nazis.</p>
<p>   Pat Boone was never at ANY of the rallies, or townhall meetings or BEFORE Prop 8, was even at issue&#8230;what&#8217;s the difference between what Boone or LaBarbera say now, or then?</p>
<p>  He&#8217;s reporting from rumors he heard from cowards hiding behind computer monitors.<br />
Had any of them shown up where we were, no one would have recognized them from the rest of the crowd.</p>
<p>   No, I resent this misrepresentation and comparison to what happened in Mumbai.<br />
 Gay people in Islamic countries get EXECUTED, even if they are kids!<br />
THEY don&#8217;t even participate in the jihad where THEY live. They aren&#8217;t allowed in.</p>
<p>   How do we write him and call him on his obvious LIBEL.</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A well deserved award for someone who&#039;s long been on the shortlist. Much of that screed being the same tired claptrap we&#039;ve come to expect, one section was however truly eye-poppingly stupid:

&lt;i&gt;Slavery was abolished ... these true rights were not obtained by threats and violent demonstrations and civil disruption [] but by due process, congressional deliberations and
appropriate ratification. This was democracy in action, not mob rule. [] rights are earned and won in a deliberative, legal way – at the polls.&lt;/i&gt;

How on earth could ANY American not know that slavery was only abolished after 600,000 people had died in a Civil War???

God almighty. What a plonker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well deserved award for someone who&#8217;s long been on the shortlist. Much of that screed being the same tired claptrap we&#8217;ve come to expect, one section was however truly eye-poppingly stupid:</p>
<p><i>Slavery was abolished &#8230; these true rights were not obtained by threats and violent demonstrations and civil disruption [] but by due process, congressional deliberations and<br />
appropriate ratification. This was democracy in action, not mob rule. [] rights are earned and won in a deliberative, legal way – at the polls.</i></p>
<p>How on earth could ANY American not know that slavery was only abolished after 600,000 people had died in a Civil War???</p>
<p>God almighty. What a plonker.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Boone is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Boone is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: St. James</title>
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		<dc:creator>St. James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who believes gay folk are behaving badly in the aftermath of Proposition 8 needs to read this link about the oppression and indignities that gays have been subjected to in the past, and which still continue far too often:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who believes gay folk are behaving badly in the aftermath of Proposition 8 needs to read this link about the oppression and indignities that gays have been subjected to in the past, and which still continue far too often:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people</a></p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mattymatt:

I believe the thing to do is let the loons honk out whatever ravings they choose.

We, on the other hand, continue to expose those ravings for what they are, and let the rest of the world judge for itself.  

Our job is really pretty easy, just tell the truth all the time.

I&#039;ll repeat some advice I recently posted in this forum:

&lt;i&gt;One of our strategies in the battle for hearts and minds has to be shining a light on tactics the [enemies of gay rights] use to vilify and denigrate gay people in this country and elsewhere.  No lie, distortion, liable, or slander against a gay person or organization may go unchallenged.  We need to define the vocabulary, appropriating the terminology of our detractors if necessary, to expose their hypocrisy.  &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mattymatt:</p>
<p>I believe the thing to do is let the loons honk out whatever ravings they choose.</p>
<p>We, on the other hand, continue to expose those ravings for what they are, and let the rest of the world judge for itself.  </p>
<p>Our job is really pretty easy, just tell the truth all the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat some advice I recently posted in this forum:</p>
<p><i>One of our strategies in the battle for hearts and minds has to be shining a light on tactics the [enemies of gay rights] use to vilify and denigrate gay people in this country and elsewhere.  No lie, distortion, liable, or slander against a gay person or organization may go unchallenged.  We need to define the vocabulary, appropriating the terminology of our detractors if necessary, to expose their hypocrisy.  </i></p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one quick question--where are &quot;he raging demonstrations in our streets, in front of our churches and synagogues, even spilling into these places of worship, and many of these riots turning defamatory and violent? Have you not seen the angry distorted faces of the rioters, seen their derogatory and threatening placards and signs...&quot;

Did I miss that?  All the protests I have seen are peaceful.  The only acts of violence have been in the words of the religious right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one quick question&#8211;where are &#8220;he raging demonstrations in our streets, in front of our churches and synagogues, even spilling into these places of worship, and many of these riots turning defamatory and violent? Have you not seen the angry distorted faces of the rioters, seen their derogatory and threatening placards and signs&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Did I miss that?  All the protests I have seen are peaceful.  The only acts of violence have been in the words of the religious right.</p>
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