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	<title>Comments on: Carol Boltz&#8217;s Blog</title>
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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: TJ McFisty</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ McFisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And God is the One with the power to do whatever He wants, not you or me.&quot;

Then everything must be hunky dory with Sky Daddy since The Gay keeps on, keeping on regardless of era or empire.

It&#039;s either that or He&#039;s not powerful enough to stop The Gay on His own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And God is the One with the power to do whatever He wants, not you or me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then everything must be hunky dory with Sky Daddy since The Gay keeps on, keeping on regardless of era or empire.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s either that or He&#8217;s not powerful enough to stop The Gay on His own.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angie,

Do you have a degree in Ancient Hebrew? Have you done your own translation of the the Torah? Do you have a complete, working knowledge of Aramaic and Ancient Greek? Have you examined the actual manuscripts? Or do you rely on the King James version, with all it&#039;s purposeful mistranslations? 

Please don&#039;t tell the rest of us what what the Bible says until such time as you actually know what it truly means, and not what you&#039;ve interpreted it to mean through the filter of what your ministers, preachers and priest have told you it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie,</p>
<p>Do you have a degree in Ancient Hebrew? Have you done your own translation of the the Torah? Do you have a complete, working knowledge of Aramaic and Ancient Greek? Have you examined the actual manuscripts? Or do you rely on the King James version, with all it&#8217;s purposeful mistranslations? </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t tell the rest of us what what the Bible says until such time as you actually know what it truly means, and not what you&#8217;ve interpreted it to mean through the filter of what your ministers, preachers and priest have told you it means.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my, Timothy, please stop the sarcasm.  Serena is exactly right.  She obviously is not saying that she knows more than everyone, etc.; please don&#039;t put these words in her mouth.
   Any one who reads the Bible reads that homosexuality is an abomination to God.  That&#039;s IT - PERIOD.  Any one can say anything they want - but that&#039;s what GOD says.  And God is the One with the power to do whatever He wants, not you or me.  He is the rule-maker.  If we want to disobey Him, that&#039;s our choice.
   People who have chosen to live as homosexuals are doing just that - they are NOT born that way.  God did not create Man, Woman, and It.  They have let themselves into sin.  God loves them, but hates their sin.  We pray for them that they would be set free.  
   We pray for God&#039;s mercy on this country as it goes down the path of so many past empires who have collapsed after embracing homosexuality.  It is a sad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my, Timothy, please stop the sarcasm.  Serena is exactly right.  She obviously is not saying that she knows more than everyone, etc.; please don&#8217;t put these words in her mouth.<br />
   Any one who reads the Bible reads that homosexuality is an abomination to God.  That&#8217;s IT &#8211; PERIOD.  Any one can say anything they want &#8211; but that&#8217;s what GOD says.  And God is the One with the power to do whatever He wants, not you or me.  He is the rule-maker.  If we want to disobey Him, that&#8217;s our choice.<br />
   People who have chosen to live as homosexuals are doing just that &#8211; they are NOT born that way.  God did not create Man, Woman, and It.  They have let themselves into sin.  God loves them, but hates their sin.  We pray for them that they would be set free.<br />
   We pray for God&#8217;s mercy on this country as it goes down the path of so many past empires who have collapsed after embracing homosexuality.  It is a sad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/09/7197/comment-page-1#comment-37216</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Serena,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m sorry that Ray, Tonex, James Cleveland, and others couldn’t find a real believer to pray &amp; advise them how to defeat this spirit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, Serena, if only they had you.  I&#039;m sure you, a &quot;real believer&quot; have the inside track to God, an ability to command the Holy Spirit to do as you wish, and advice that is far superior to what these guys had.

After all, they only had access to absolutely any person in Christendom.  They had access to the best known ministers, those most annointed, those with the greatest degree of learning and the most experience.  They had access to those who specialize in the &quot;spirit of homosexuality&quot;, in research, study, theory, practice, prayer, and devotion.  

And they spent years, decades, trying to change who they were inside.  And, after all of this, Serena, they discovered that God aparantly has no intention in making same-sex attracted persons be heterosexual.  It seems, Serena, that He wants them the way he created them.

But oh, Serena, if only they had you.  You could have changed them in an instant.  Because you, Serena, know more than everyone.  Unlike everyone else, you are a real believer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serena,</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m sorry that Ray, Tonex, James Cleveland, and others couldn’t find a real believer to pray &#038; advise them how to defeat this spirit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, Serena, if only they had you.  I&#8217;m sure you, a &#8220;real believer&#8221; have the inside track to God, an ability to command the Holy Spirit to do as you wish, and advice that is far superior to what these guys had.</p>
<p>After all, they only had access to absolutely any person in Christendom.  They had access to the best known ministers, those most annointed, those with the greatest degree of learning and the most experience.  They had access to those who specialize in the &#8220;spirit of homosexuality&#8221;, in research, study, theory, practice, prayer, and devotion.  </p>
<p>And they spent years, decades, trying to change who they were inside.  And, after all of this, Serena, they discovered that God aparantly has no intention in making same-sex attracted persons be heterosexual.  It seems, Serena, that He wants them the way he created them.</p>
<p>But oh, Serena, if only they had you.  You could have changed them in an instant.  Because you, Serena, know more than everyone.  Unlike everyone else, you are a real believer.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie89</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too believe in the existence of &quot;spirits&quot;.

Some of their names are: Scotch, Whiskey, Brandy, Tequila, Vodka, Gin, Rum and Cognac!

Other than these &quot;spirits&quot;, there has been no tangible, scientific evidence of the existence of any other type of spirits.

Other than the drinkable ones.

If anyone has proof otherwise, please elucidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too believe in the existence of &#8220;spirits&#8221;.</p>
<p>Some of their names are: Scotch, Whiskey, Brandy, Tequila, Vodka, Gin, Rum and Cognac!</p>
<p>Other than these &#8220;spirits&#8221;, there has been no tangible, scientific evidence of the existence of any other type of spirits.</p>
<p>Other than the drinkable ones.</p>
<p>If anyone has proof otherwise, please elucidate.</p>
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		<title>By: serena</title>
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		<dc:creator>serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My heart was broken when I first heard about Ray Boltz. My prayers go out to Carol &amp; her family. I also pray for Ray, too. It&#039;s sad that he has allowed the enemy to bewitched him to give into that sin. Spirits are real! Our Lord has given us power (the Holy Ghost)to fight! I&#039;m sorry that Ray, Tonex, James Cleveland, and others couldn&#039;t find a real believer to pray &amp; advise them how to defeat this spirit. Homosexuality is a choice. You chose who you sleep with. Where&#039;s the word that they sing about? &quot;Let this mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus?I love the people, but like the Lord hate the sin. Let&#039;s love our brothers &amp; sisters back to Christ with prayer &amp; compassion. Their souls are at stake and they need the real saints of God to war in the spirit for them. Let&#039;s shout the War Cry that Jesus is still all mighty and in control. And He can deliver anyone from anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heart was broken when I first heard about Ray Boltz. My prayers go out to Carol &amp; her family. I also pray for Ray, too. It&#8217;s sad that he has allowed the enemy to bewitched him to give into that sin. Spirits are real! Our Lord has given us power (the Holy Ghost)to fight! I&#8217;m sorry that Ray, Tonex, James Cleveland, and others couldn&#8217;t find a real believer to pray &amp; advise them how to defeat this spirit. Homosexuality is a choice. You chose who you sleep with. Where&#8217;s the word that they sing about? &#8220;Let this mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus?I love the people, but like the Lord hate the sin. Let&#8217;s love our brothers &amp; sisters back to Christ with prayer &amp; compassion. Their souls are at stake and they need the real saints of God to war in the spirit for them. Let&#8217;s shout the War Cry that Jesus is still all mighty and in control. And He can deliver anyone from anything.</p>
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		<title>By: deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just now reading this post after learning of Carol Boltz&#039;s blog last week. She writes from the heart. 

What she has to say is a gift to those who read it. She is a courageous, compassionate woman with a good heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just now reading this post after learning of Carol Boltz&#8217;s blog last week. She writes from the heart. </p>
<p>What she has to say is a gift to those who read it. She is a courageous, compassionate woman with a good heart.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;m certainly glad Ray and Carol Boltz have come around to see that being gay does not equal being sinful, I&#039;m somewhat disappointed that those in the Evangelical community seem to only to have these revelations when someone they personally know comes out.

If I&#039;m a Christian, do I really have to be affected personally by prejudice and church-based bigotry to realize that it&#039;s wrong no matter who&#039;s at the receiving end?

Should we wait for the whole world to announce it&#039;s gay before we love people for whom God made in his image?

There&#039;s continues to be a disconnect in the Evangelical mind about the message of Jesus and their role in demonizing queers.

Just look at the shoddy treatment Lonnie Frisbee received at the hands of his &quot;brothers&quot; - and he basically started this whole &quot;contemporary Christian&quot; scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;m certainly glad Ray and Carol Boltz have come around to see that being gay does not equal being sinful, I&#8217;m somewhat disappointed that those in the Evangelical community seem to only to have these revelations when someone they personally know comes out.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m a Christian, do I really have to be affected personally by prejudice and church-based bigotry to realize that it&#8217;s wrong no matter who&#8217;s at the receiving end?</p>
<p>Should we wait for the whole world to announce it&#8217;s gay before we love people for whom God made in his image?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s continues to be a disconnect in the Evangelical mind about the message of Jesus and their role in demonizing queers.</p>
<p>Just look at the shoddy treatment Lonnie Frisbee received at the hands of his &#8220;brothers&#8221; &#8211; and he basically started this whole &#8220;contemporary Christian&#8221; scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love. Love like this, will bring people to tremendous understanding through their pain and confusion. I do commend Carol for her courage for coming to that understanding. 

  The real tragedy is that religious and conservative communities don&#039;t ALLOW a gay person to be honest enough so such marriages don&#039;t take place.

    Why not have gay people marry other gay people?
The courts here in CA found no rational reason that they shouldn&#039;t.
And certainly the traditional approach to encouraging these marriages is all too obviously ill advised and extremely risky.


  And because these results are common, why do said conservatives continue to encourage all this?

    Our friend at exgaywatch, Pam Ferguson has been so generous and smart and as an educator...and diamond for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love. Love like this, will bring people to tremendous understanding through their pain and confusion. I do commend Carol for her courage for coming to that understanding. </p>
<p>  The real tragedy is that religious and conservative communities don&#8217;t ALLOW a gay person to be honest enough so such marriages don&#8217;t take place.</p>
<p>    Why not have gay people marry other gay people?<br />
The courts here in CA found no rational reason that they shouldn&#8217;t.<br />
And certainly the traditional approach to encouraging these marriages is all too obviously ill advised and extremely risky.</p>
<p>  And because these results are common, why do said conservatives continue to encourage all this?</p>
<p>    Our friend at exgaywatch, Pam Ferguson has been so generous and smart and as an educator&#8230;and diamond for everyone.</p>
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