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	<title>Comments on: Arson Suspected At Sarah Palin&#8217;s Church, Gays Blamed</title>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7374/comment-page-1#comment-28244</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we did cause the tsunami and 9-11, a little fire isn&#039;t out of our power scope... :)

I thought we were innocent until proven guilty. Has any gays stepped up to these charges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we did cause the tsunami and 9-11, a little fire isn&#8217;t out of our power scope&#8230; :)</p>
<p>I thought we were innocent until proven guilty. Has any gays stepped up to these charges?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7374/comment-page-1#comment-27920</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently Mr. Delgaudio has forgotten one of the Right&#039;s biggest complaints against the Left since at least the Clarence Thomas hearings.  The following quote came from some Democrat during that time, or so I&#039;ve heard:

&quot;The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it&#039;s the seriousness of the charge that matters&quot;.

Hypocrisy, Mr. Delgaudio?  Naaaaaaah of course not!  /sarc

Well gee, I can think of at least two more just-as-plausible scenarios using Mr. Delgaudio&#039;s tissue-paper thin standard of evidence:

&quot;We do not know if this arson and attempted murder was perpetrated by angry Republicans blaming Palin for Obama winning the presidency, but the former Veep candidate has been the target of verbal attacks by the many Republicans (all dastardly liberal RINOs of course) and their apologists in the major media.&quot;

AND...

&quot;We do not know if this arson and attempted murder was perpetrated by Eugene Delgaudio, seeking to mislead the general public by lying and placing the blame on gays in order to generate sympathy for his own bigoted agenda.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Mr. Delgaudio has forgotten one of the Right&#8217;s biggest complaints against the Left since at least the Clarence Thomas hearings.  The following quote came from some Democrat during that time, or so I&#8217;ve heard:</p>
<p>&#8220;The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it&#8217;s the seriousness of the charge that matters&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hypocrisy, Mr. Delgaudio?  Naaaaaaah of course not!  /sarc</p>
<p>Well gee, I can think of at least two more just-as-plausible scenarios using Mr. Delgaudio&#8217;s tissue-paper thin standard of evidence:</p>
<p>&#8220;We do not know if this arson and attempted murder was perpetrated by angry Republicans blaming Palin for Obama winning the presidency, but the former Veep candidate has been the target of verbal attacks by the many Republicans (all dastardly liberal RINOs of course) and their apologists in the major media.&#8221;</p>
<p>AND&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;We do not know if this arson and attempted murder was perpetrated by Eugene Delgaudio, seeking to mislead the general public by lying and placing the blame on gays in order to generate sympathy for his own bigoted agenda.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SharonB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SharonB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any financial difficulties at the church? Anyone embezzling funds? Any disgruntled former members?

Why is teh gay always the first suspect to these haters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any financial difficulties at the church? Anyone embezzling funds? Any disgruntled former members?</p>
<p>Why is teh gay always the first suspect to these haters?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7374/comment-page-1#comment-27903</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting accelerant in exits may be just continuing to pour the gasoline as you are walking out the building, but it also really raises the issue of trying to kill people.  It seems like a big building, but if you are going to commit a crime that could land you in jail for the rest of your life, you would probably survey the parking lot and see if anyone is there.

Where I am leading with this is that it is very suspicious for the perpetrators actually trying to hurt or kill people.  For that kind of anger, I would look closer to home for a person or people with a real grudge either against the church or one of the people who was in the church when it started burning.

It doesn&#039;t sound like the local authorities are chasing after mythical gay fire bombing terrorists, but instead following the clues wherever they lead.  I hope they catch the criminal(s).  All too often these sorts of crimes go unsolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting accelerant in exits may be just continuing to pour the gasoline as you are walking out the building, but it also really raises the issue of trying to kill people.  It seems like a big building, but if you are going to commit a crime that could land you in jail for the rest of your life, you would probably survey the parking lot and see if anyone is there.</p>
<p>Where I am leading with this is that it is very suspicious for the perpetrators actually trying to hurt or kill people.  For that kind of anger, I would look closer to home for a person or people with a real grudge either against the church or one of the people who was in the church when it started burning.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t sound like the local authorities are chasing after mythical gay fire bombing terrorists, but instead following the clues wherever they lead.  I hope they catch the criminal(s).  All too often these sorts of crimes go unsolved.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First we get blamed for the white powder and burned Book of Mormon, and now we&#039;re being blamed for this.

Even if it&#039;s entirely possible that a disgruntled gay person is behind each of these incidents, no suspects have been arrested and no convictions have been made.

I recall from my experience in crime reporting that you should never convict someone in print. If the Becket Fund and Delgaudio were making these accusations against named individuals, they could be sued for libel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First we get blamed for the white powder and burned Book of Mormon, and now we&#8217;re being blamed for this.</p>
<p>Even if it&#8217;s entirely possible that a disgruntled gay person is behind each of these incidents, no suspects have been arrested and no convictions have been made.</p>
<p>I recall from my experience in crime reporting that you should never convict someone in print. If the Becket Fund and Delgaudio were making these accusations against named individuals, they could be sued for libel.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do not &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; if this arson and attempted murder was actually perpetrated &lt;b&gt;by Eugene Delgaudio himself&lt;/b&gt;, but it follows his countless other recent attacks.

Delgaudio is my first suspect.  He&#039;s just the type to do it.  Rumor (which I&#039;m starting right now) says that he&#039;s an arsonist with a long history of burning down churches.  And I&#039;m suspicious that he may have recently flown to Alaska. 

So I&#039;m not &lt;i&gt;saying&lt;/i&gt; it&#039;s true that &lt;b&gt;Delgaudio personally struck the match&lt;/b&gt; but this certainly seems like what he&#039;d do.  Hint hint.

REALITY CHECK

OK.  Of course I don&#039;t really think that Delgaudio did this.  In fact I would be downright shocked.

But his evidence against gays is no greater than I have against him.  It&#039;s just false accusation disguized as speculation intended to demonize gay folk for the advancement of Delgaudio&#039;s personal, religious, and political goals.

This is &lt;b&gt;exactly&lt;/b&gt; what is forbidden by the ninth commandment: &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour&lt;/i&gt;&lt;b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do not <i>know</i> if this arson and attempted murder was actually perpetrated <b>by Eugene Delgaudio himself</b>, but it follows his countless other recent attacks.</p>
<p>Delgaudio is my first suspect.  He&#8217;s just the type to do it.  Rumor (which I&#8217;m starting right now) says that he&#8217;s an arsonist with a long history of burning down churches.  And I&#8217;m suspicious that he may have recently flown to Alaska. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not <i>saying</i> it&#8217;s true that <b>Delgaudio personally struck the match</b> but this certainly seems like what he&#8217;d do.  Hint hint.</p>
<p>REALITY CHECK</p>
<p>OK.  Of course I don&#8217;t really think that Delgaudio did this.  In fact I would be downright shocked.</p>
<p>But his evidence against gays is no greater than I have against him.  It&#8217;s just false accusation disguized as speculation intended to demonize gay folk for the advancement of Delgaudio&#8217;s personal, religious, and political goals.</p>
<p>This is <b>exactly</b> what is forbidden by the ninth commandment: <b><i>You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour</i></b><b>.</b></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7374/comment-page-1#comment-27887</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Would this make the national news if it had not been Sarah Palin’s church?&quot;

No.  Over the years, several MCC&#039;s (a GLBTQ denomination) have been targeted by arsonists, without hardly a ripple in the press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Would this make the national news if it had not been Sarah Palin’s church?&#8221;</p>
<p>No.  Over the years, several MCC&#8217;s (a GLBTQ denomination) have been targeted by arsonists, without hardly a ripple in the press.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7374/comment-page-1#comment-27886</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would this make the national news if it had not been Sarah Palin&#039;s church?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would this make the national news if it had not been Sarah Palin&#8217;s church?</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I echo your sentiments about both the church&#039;s efforts to rebuild and that the perpetrator(s) be brought to justice quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo your sentiments about both the church&#8217;s efforts to rebuild and that the perpetrator(s) be brought to justice quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: HappyCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>HappyCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blame Teh Gays.  Why not?  We must be one powerful group to cause wild fires, hurricanes, tornados, flash floods, you name it.

I don&#039;t want churches burnt down, I want them taxed and a burnt down church doesn&#039;t have much taxable value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blame Teh Gays.  Why not?  We must be one powerful group to cause wild fires, hurricanes, tornados, flash floods, you name it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want churches burnt down, I want them taxed and a burnt down church doesn&#8217;t have much taxable value.</p>
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