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	<title>Comments on: Rick Warren Exploits Paranoia To Defend Prop 8</title>
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		<title>By: An open letter to Obama about Rick Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7422/comment-page-1#comment-28454</link>
		<dc:creator>An open letter to Obama about Rick Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a discuss on Proposition 8, a successful California list magnitude banning same-sex marriage, Dr. Warren pronounced he against matrimony equivalence for a LGBT village in California because &#8220;[t]here were all kinds of threats that if that [Prop 8] did not pass, afterwards any priest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a discuss on Proposition 8, a successful California list magnitude banning same-sex marriage, Dr. Warren pronounced he against matrimony equivalence for a LGBT village in California because &#8220;[t]here were all kinds of threats that if that [Prop 8] did not pass, afterwards any priest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: john williams</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7422/comment-page-1#comment-28304</link>
		<dc:creator>john williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real reason for Gay Marriage is Legal leverage. In California, a Civil Union had the same rights as a Religious Marriage, saying that it did not have Federal Recognition was true but as half the states did not have Civil Unions it would have been much more productive to have kept the Civil Union in California and pressed all States to accept the same.  In Boston a Catholic Charity that assisted couples with adoption was sued by a Gay Couple, they shut down their operation rather than pay the legal fees. 
What kind of victory was that. A Photographer was sued and had to pay $10,000, another great victory, the battle was won but the war was lost/losing.  Parents in Mass asked the School to not have their son attend lessons that included the King and King. They were told that their only resolution would be to take their son out of the Public School system. 
I worked for the USPS for years and before Civil Unions we would know of couples that were referred to as married. Nobody treated them differently and we always delivered their post and let them sign for the other party. The way the San Fran Community have acted since Prop 8 has passed is embarrasing. 
I think it is time for everyone to take stock of the situation and start thinking really seriously about what they want and to be realistic about how to get it. One more thing, be careful about what you want!!!!!!!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real reason for Gay Marriage is Legal leverage. In California, a Civil Union had the same rights as a Religious Marriage, saying that it did not have Federal Recognition was true but as half the states did not have Civil Unions it would have been much more productive to have kept the Civil Union in California and pressed all States to accept the same.  In Boston a Catholic Charity that assisted couples with adoption was sued by a Gay Couple, they shut down their operation rather than pay the legal fees.<br />
What kind of victory was that. A Photographer was sued and had to pay $10,000, another great victory, the battle was won but the war was lost/losing.  Parents in Mass asked the School to not have their son attend lessons that included the King and King. They were told that their only resolution would be to take their son out of the Public School system.<br />
I worked for the USPS for years and before Civil Unions we would know of couples that were referred to as married. Nobody treated them differently and we always delivered their post and let them sign for the other party. The way the San Fran Community have acted since Prop 8 has passed is embarrasing.<br />
I think it is time for everyone to take stock of the situation and start thinking really seriously about what they want and to be realistic about how to get it. One more thing, be careful about what you want!!!!!!!.</p>
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		<title>By: Pre-christmas construction!</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7422/comment-page-1#comment-28282</link>
		<dc:creator>Pre-christmas construction!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the news that Rick Warren will pray &#8212; or something &#8212; at the inauguration (yeah, the guy can be a douche, but Obama&#8217;s right &#8212; if we&#8217;re all going to try to get along, we&#8217;re going to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the news that Rick Warren will pray &#8212; or something &#8212; at the inauguration (yeah, the guy can be a douche, but Obama&#8217;s right &#8212; if we&#8217;re all going to try to get along, we&#8217;re going to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Election '08: Deceptive Cadence « The Nappy Cat Chronicles</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7422/comment-page-1#comment-28263</link>
		<dc:creator>Election '08: Deceptive Cadence « The Nappy Cat Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like Warren, believe that homosexuality is akin to pedophilia; if you, a Christian like Warren, espouse paranoia and a persecution complex; or, if you, a Christian like Warren, claim that you have &#8220;many gay friends&#8221;, you are a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like Warren, believe that homosexuality is akin to pedophilia; if you, a Christian like Warren, espouse paranoia and a persecution complex; or, if you, a Christian like Warren, claim that you have &#8220;many gay friends&#8221;, you are a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Positive Liberty &#187; There Is At Least One Sense In Which This Isn&#8217;t Totally Crazy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Positive Liberty &#187; There Is At Least One Sense In Which This Isn&#8217;t Totally Crazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jim Burroway tut-tuts:  This is unadulterated nonsense. First, a civil marriage law does nothing to impinge on what a pastor can preach. Divorce is very common, but you can waive all the divorce decrees and new marriage licences [sic] in front of a Catholic priest’s face and he’s not going to marry anyone unless the Vatican has granted an annulment. And he’ll be happy to explain it to the couple in his office, at the pulpit, on the Internet, or anywhere else. It’s not hate speech. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jim Burroway tut-tuts:  This is unadulterated nonsense. First, a civil marriage law does nothing to impinge on what a pastor can preach. Divorce is very common, but you can waive all the divorce decrees and new marriage licences [sic] in front of a Catholic priest’s face and he’s not going to marry anyone unless the Vatican has granted an annulment. And he’ll be happy to explain it to the couple in his office, at the pulpit, on the Internet, or anywhere else. It’s not hate speech. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: br</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7422/comment-page-1#comment-28103</link>
		<dc:creator>br</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recall Brown; annul exitsting gay marriage; ready National Guard to invade SF for failure to comply to annulments; recall gay judges; separate state for P8 counties; then separate country, west midwest, south, and western Canada; build Bering strait bridge to Russia for energy and new alliances that are not gay marriage states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recall Brown; annul exitsting gay marriage; ready National Guard to invade SF for failure to comply to annulments; recall gay judges; separate state for P8 counties; then separate country, west midwest, south, and western Canada; build Bering strait bridge to Russia for energy and new alliances that are not gay marriage states.</p>
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		<title>By: Barack, I have a bone to pick with you. &#171; break the terror</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7422/comment-page-1#comment-28089</link>
		<dc:creator>Barack, I have a bone to pick with you. &#171; break the terror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bandwagon surrounding same-sex marriage by falsely claiming that Prop 8’s failure somehow would have overturned the Constitution’s First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech and religion. (It can’t. No law or state constitution [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bandwagon surrounding same-sex marriage by falsely claiming that Prop 8’s failure somehow would have overturned the Constitution’s First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech and religion. (It can’t. No law or state constitution [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7422/comment-page-1#comment-28081</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how Mr. warren does it:

Nobel prize-winner Peter Medawar on Teilhard de Chardin, a catholic priest writing in the early part of this century:

“the author can be excused of dishonesty only on the grounds that before deceiving others, he has taken great pains to deceive himself.”

And quoting one of my very favorite authors--myself:

“A host of good Christians are all happy to tell me how much they love me… right before they tell me how much they hate my child-molesting, disease spreading, country-destroying, religion-despising, marriage-compromising, military demoralizing ways.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how Mr. warren does it:</p>
<p>Nobel prize-winner Peter Medawar on Teilhard de Chardin, a catholic priest writing in the early part of this century:</p>
<p>“the author can be excused of dishonesty only on the grounds that before deceiving others, he has taken great pains to deceive himself.”</p>
<p>And quoting one of my very favorite authors&#8211;myself:</p>
<p>“A host of good Christians are all happy to tell me how much they love me… right before they tell me how much they hate my child-molesting, disease spreading, country-destroying, religion-despising, marriage-compromising, military demoralizing ways.”</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7422/comment-page-1#comment-28064</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, 

Biblical literalists believe the Earth to be 6,000 years old</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, </p>
<p>Biblical literalists believe the Earth to be 6,000 years old</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7422/comment-page-1#comment-28056</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can marriage be a 5000-year tradition when the Earth is only 3000 years old?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can marriage be a 5000-year tradition when the Earth is only 3000 years old?</p>
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