My comments to Benjamin were an attempt to understand another point of view. So, lets be friends and agree that I agree with you. I hope I didn’t come off harsh to you. If so, none intended.

Maurice, thanks for your patience with me.

I should have been more diplomatic and sought discussion, I apologize. (and that sentiment goes out to Benjamin too)

-Patrick

And after that Obama brings in one of the biggest backers of Prop 8, while the wounds are still open and VERY raw in the GLBT community, and one of the most influential anti-gay leaders in the country to do the invocation of his “let’s ALL come together” inauguration and people just can’t understand what all the fuss is about. We are being called selfish, too sensitive, hateful, intolerant and all the things that we get called every time we have the audacity to complain about being treated like shit.

I guess we are just a bridge too far. A bridge to no where.

I only said that -I see his point. Maybe Obama is setting some trap to force Warren to ultimately support gay people. I doubt it, but I can entertain Benjamin’s idea.

I have a heart that is utterly broken trying to make sense of why people care so much, to hate me and my kind. The defeat of Prop 8 left me feeling depressed and shocked. It also inspired me to stand up and cry for equal, nothing less, equal rights.

If you read any of my comments on other articles, you will see how I feel about this.

I stand for EQUAL RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE. PERIOD. I do not back down in my discussions with friends and family.

I sent Obama and all the other players a strong message that Warren is nothing more than Falwell and Dobson wrapped up in a goatee that smells of closet.

I have heard Obama say “equal but separate”. Wrong. That is discrimination. We may as well go back to “colored” and “whites” for our schools and bathrooms.

Nor do I accept civil or domestic rights as a substitute for EQUAL rights.

My skin color, nationality, race, gender or sex should not have any bearing on my rights as a U.S. Citizen. I demand the application of the same rights that are afforded to everyone. Due process for all.

FYI, I have publicly condemned the selection of Rick Warren. He does not understand agape love and he does not represent the heart of true Christendom. He is another poser from the Iron Age.

My comments to Benjamin were an attempt to understand another point of view. So, lets be friends and agree that I agree with you. I hope I didn’t come off harsh to you. If so, none intended.

Benjamin raised a good point that RW has to come to the table also…implying that to get some power, he may have to give up or modify some of his beliefs and compromise to match the pro GLBT beliefs of Obama. So, your point is taken.

“Pro-GLBT” = Pro-Equality.

Pro-equality = Pro-fairness.

What you, Maurice, and Benjamin attempt to argue, is that it is fair to balance fairness with unfairness.

Which in this instance especially, is as immoral as suggesting that victimizers are on equal footing with their victims.

Is this truly what you wish to argue?

About those appointments. Kincaid is pretty sharp and if he can’t find any “openly gay” appointments, then I believe Kincaid. Where did you get your info from Benjamin?

I do see several instances in which he opposed anti-gay discrimination, when he said that African-Americans shouldn’t fight against gay marriage, and when he hinted that he supported gay marriage.

But I’m still looking for a direct quote in which he said that he supports marriage equality or in which he stated that he opposed Prop 8, Prop 102, or Amendment 2.

Can anyone help?

If Rev Warren had been simply a [prop]opponent of Prop 8,