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	<title>Comments on: Obama Responds To Criticisms Over Warren Pick</title>
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		<title>By: Mark O\'Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28327</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark O\'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent the following message to Senator Barbara Boxer in CA and encourage everyone to contact their representatives and express themselves.

Senator Boxer,

Please try to dissuade Pres. elect Obama from honoring Rev. Rick Warren who says that HIV was not his issue until 2 years ago.  

Since the 1980s I personally have lost 31 people to HIV who were my extended family. First I lost one family. Then I found the courage to create another and lost that one too.

The fact that my extended families were filled with fun loving and creative gay men is important to me. My experience is not unique and is shared by millions of Americans, including families who lost sons to a disease, not to sex as most ignorant people believe.

Honoring someone like Rick Warren is dishonoring all these millions of hardworking American people who daily are challenged to put their real life losses behind them.

I call on Obama to stop pandering to the ignorance among us and find someone who can invoke our better angels.

This is important to me and my present family.  

Respectfully,
Mark O&#039;Connor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent the following message to Senator Barbara Boxer in CA and encourage everyone to contact their representatives and express themselves.</p>
<p>Senator Boxer,</p>
<p>Please try to dissuade Pres. elect Obama from honoring Rev. Rick Warren who says that HIV was not his issue until 2 years ago.  </p>
<p>Since the 1980s I personally have lost 31 people to HIV who were my extended family. First I lost one family. Then I found the courage to create another and lost that one too.</p>
<p>The fact that my extended families were filled with fun loving and creative gay men is important to me. My experience is not unique and is shared by millions of Americans, including families who lost sons to a disease, not to sex as most ignorant people believe.</p>
<p>Honoring someone like Rick Warren is dishonoring all these millions of hardworking American people who daily are challenged to put their real life losses behind them.</p>
<p>I call on Obama to stop pandering to the ignorance among us and find someone who can invoke our better angels.</p>
<p>This is important to me and my present family.  </p>
<p>Respectfully,<br />
Mark O&#8217;Connor</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28315</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what he ACTUALLY said:

Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do. 

So where is the difference in what Warren said and what Jim said he said?  

And one more thing.  Please cite a reference, ANY reference, where Obama shares Warren&#039;s view that gay marriages are equivalent to incestuous (perverted and criminal), pedophilic (predatory and criminal) and polygamous (exploitative and criminal) relationships.  

Cite one single reference where Obama supported Prop 8 or ANY law or amendment to limit ANY civil right for gays including marriage.

If you see NO difference between what Warren believes and what Obama believes on the issue then you must be either blind or stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what he ACTUALLY said:</p>
<p>Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.</p>
<p>Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?</p>
<p>Rick Warren: Oh I do. </p>
<p>So where is the difference in what Warren said and what Jim said he said?  </p>
<p>And one more thing.  Please cite a reference, ANY reference, where Obama shares Warren&#8217;s view that gay marriages are equivalent to incestuous (perverted and criminal), pedophilic (predatory and criminal) and polygamous (exploitative and criminal) relationships.  </p>
<p>Cite one single reference where Obama supported Prop 8 or ANY law or amendment to limit ANY civil right for gays including marriage.</p>
<p>If you see NO difference between what Warren believes and what Obama believes on the issue then you must be either blind or stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Hebrewtatttoo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28301</link>
		<dc:creator>Hebrewtatttoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be helpful to actually follow that link  

&quot;morally indistinguishable from child rape, incest or polygamy&quot;

And listen to what the guy actually said.  I see no difference in what Warren believes than what Obama has said on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be helpful to actually follow that link  </p>
<p>&#8220;morally indistinguishable from child rape, incest or polygamy&#8221;</p>
<p>And listen to what the guy actually said.  I see no difference in what Warren believes than what Obama has said on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28295</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps some good will come of this.  Obama has screwed over and insulted gay and lesbian Americans before he has even taken the oath of office.

It is all up hill for him now with LGBT folks.  Nobody is going to give him any slack.  He is going to have to prove he is on our side.  Maybe in the long run, that is the better position for us to be in, rather than standing at the side of the table hoping for the crumbs to fall down to us.

DADT had better be repealed and ENDA had better be passed.  Furthermore, if he is so supportive of Civil Unions and each state deciding on their own how to deal with same sex marriage, he had better push for legislation offering the same benefits to same sex couples as opposite sex couples, whether their states have Domestic Partnership, Civil Union or Same Sex Marriage Laws that apply.

I supported Obama with my vote and my money, but from now on, it is strictly pay for performance.  If he doesn&#039;t perform, no contributions and no votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps some good will come of this.  Obama has screwed over and insulted gay and lesbian Americans before he has even taken the oath of office.</p>
<p>It is all up hill for him now with LGBT folks.  Nobody is going to give him any slack.  He is going to have to prove he is on our side.  Maybe in the long run, that is the better position for us to be in, rather than standing at the side of the table hoping for the crumbs to fall down to us.</p>
<p>DADT had better be repealed and ENDA had better be passed.  Furthermore, if he is so supportive of Civil Unions and each state deciding on their own how to deal with same sex marriage, he had better push for legislation offering the same benefits to same sex couples as opposite sex couples, whether their states have Domestic Partnership, Civil Union or Same Sex Marriage Laws that apply.</p>
<p>I supported Obama with my vote and my money, but from now on, it is strictly pay for performance.  If he doesn&#8217;t perform, no contributions and no votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28278</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow on MSNBC for highlighting the reasons why the LGBT community opposes Warren&#039;s selection. Maddow specifically expressed her personal outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow on MSNBC for highlighting the reasons why the LGBT community opposes Warren&#8217;s selection. Maddow specifically expressed her personal outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg from Flori-duh</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28239</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg from Flori-duh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has sadly revealed his true colors.  Today&#039;s lame clarification  stating that he is bringing diverse people together apparently applies only to gay haters.  Would he invite a racist or anti-semite to give the inaugural invocation?  Of course not.  

Will Obama be better than Bush or McBush? Yes.  Has he lost any respect from me? Yes.  Will I provide this man one more cent? No.  Obama is a coward.  Obama is a politician.  Go figure... the black President elect is displaying the behavior of a bigot!  Because, after all, to allow such a hateful, disrepectful choice is a loud and clear message to the thousands of gays Americans who have been vilified and hated by the &quot;Christian&quot; fascists such as the dear &quot;Reverend&quot; Warren.  

Sadly our next president is just a politician who has no backbone and cares only about power, not principle.  No more $$ for you.  NEXT. 

Boy were we sold a load of $#%@!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has sadly revealed his true colors.  Today&#8217;s lame clarification  stating that he is bringing diverse people together apparently applies only to gay haters.  Would he invite a racist or anti-semite to give the inaugural invocation?  Of course not.  </p>
<p>Will Obama be better than Bush or McBush? Yes.  Has he lost any respect from me? Yes.  Will I provide this man one more cent? No.  Obama is a coward.  Obama is a politician.  Go figure&#8230; the black President elect is displaying the behavior of a bigot!  Because, after all, to allow such a hateful, disrepectful choice is a loud and clear message to the thousands of gays Americans who have been vilified and hated by the &#8220;Christian&#8221; fascists such as the dear &#8220;Reverend&#8221; Warren.  </p>
<p>Sadly our next president is just a politician who has no backbone and cares only about power, not principle.  No more $$ for you.  NEXT. </p>
<p>Boy were we sold a load of $#%@!.</p>
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		<title>By: Clem from Tucson</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28221</link>
		<dc:creator>Clem from Tucson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just another one of the politically brain-dead GLBT community&#039;s payoffs from the Democrats.  Depending on the election at hand, it is a given that between 60% to 75% of GLBT voters vote the &quot;party line&quot;.  Remember it was Bill Clinton who ordered &quot;Don&#039;t ask, don&#039;t tell&quot; and it was Bill Clinton who signed the hated &quot;Defense of marriage act&quot;.  Why would anyone expect Barak Hussein Obama to behave differently, especially since he clearly stated numerous times that he was against same-sex marriage?  GLBT folks have to understand that politicians will do and say anything to get elected.  Obama is a politician...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just another one of the politically brain-dead GLBT community&#8217;s payoffs from the Democrats.  Depending on the election at hand, it is a given that between 60% to 75% of GLBT voters vote the &#8220;party line&#8221;.  Remember it was Bill Clinton who ordered &#8220;Don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell&#8221; and it was Bill Clinton who signed the hated &#8220;Defense of marriage act&#8221;.  Why would anyone expect Barak Hussein Obama to behave differently, especially since he clearly stated numerous times that he was against same-sex marriage?  GLBT folks have to understand that politicians will do and say anything to get elected.  Obama is a politician&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pomo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28212</link>
		<dc:creator>Pomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this is that big of a deal. however, i am pleased that Obama is acknowledging that we&#039;re upset and addressing it. To me, that shows he does care atleast a little bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this is that big of a deal. however, i am pleased that Obama is acknowledging that we&#8217;re upset and addressing it. To me, that shows he does care atleast a little bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28209</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like Obama slapped me in the face...too bad I was looking forward to supporting him as president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like Obama slapped me in the face&#8230;too bad I was looking forward to supporting him as president.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Lacunza</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/18/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28199</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice Lacunza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comparison to Obama&#039;s marriage to Michelle, was, SPOT ON. Obama would not stand for one minute and support Rick Warren if the shoe were on the other foot. Good job once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comparison to Obama&#8217;s marriage to Michelle, was, SPOT ON. Obama would not stand for one minute and support Rick Warren if the shoe were on the other foot. Good job once again.</p>
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