Comments on: Rick Warren’s “Moderation”

By: Kel Munger

Kel Munger — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:33:30 +0000

Churches have *always* been members-only clubs. They’ll let folks they don’t approve of sit in the pews, but full membership means signing off on all the doctrine, no matter how reprehensible it is.

That’s why churches are *private* organizations. But you’ll never get them to see it.

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:07:06 +0000

Well, at least “unrepentant” gays are still allowed in the building, right?

Since when did church become a members-only club?

By: brian

brian — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:08:44 +0000

Looks like they took down that page, and redirected to a more general “What We Believe” page. Google still has the cached page at :
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:txu-oT9tBDIJ:www.saddlebackfamily.com/membership/group_finder/faqs_smallgroup.asp%3Fid%3D7509+saddleback+family+homosexual&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=safari

By: Lynn David

Lynn David — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:58:06 +0000

If he thinks he can ban us now from his church membership, just how the hell is it he thinks he’ll have to marry us under California law?

Talk about being disengenuous.

By: KZ

KZ — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:32:16 +0000

As an unrepentant homosexual, I’m officially banned from Pastor Warren’s Saddleback Church? NOOOOOO! Say it ain’t so! Words cannot describe how hurt and devastated I am!

By: Jaft

Jaft — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:38:12 +0000

The marching band was pathetic. What was worse was hearing someone on a forum tell us to shut up about the pick, we already got “an all gay marching band”.

Seriously? So we’re allowed to serve others, now we have inclusion….

By: Joel

Joel — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:26:15 +0000

I just hope Obama REALLY backs the gay community on this one. The marching band was pathetic, this would just be lacerating.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:36:44 +0000

William Calhoun,

Very good point. Until Warren’s most recent comparisons of gay couples to incestuous couple and his clear denunciation of anything even remotely recognizing the rights of gay couples, I had a fairly positive opinion of the man.

But I think you are mistaken if you thing he’s moving into the mainstream. Everything he’s said in the past few months moves him further and further to the extremists.

I guess he just hadn’t been pushed yet to take a public side. Now we see what was behind all the “love”.

By: William Calhoun

William Calhoun — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:09:07 +0000

This may be for the best. Consider: I’ve read a lot about Warren, but until now many of his more reprehensible opinions have been ignored/missed/left out. But now this aspect of his work is right out front. And he’s getting heat for it.

If he wants to move more into the mainstream (and gather more power/status/authority) he’s going to be pressured to modify much of his stand. Either that or he’ll see himself going the way of Dobson, Robertson, et.al. I don’t think he’ll want that.

I think we’ll see him either fade away or change. And all because this invitation pushed him, ALL of him, into the light.

By: David

David — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:21:37 +0000

How does one repent of something that does not exist?

How about if I just repent of unicorns, balanced budgets and compassionate conservatives instead?

A hair more realistic.