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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate?

I&#039;m sorry, I missed the Gay Meeting where we discussed our plans to:

-Keep Christians from holding certain jobs.
-Keep Christians from living in certain areas
-Violently attack Christians for being open about who they are
-Enact laws to keep Christians from adopting children
-Take Children away from their parents because they are Christians
-Refuse to let Christians visit their loved ones in the hospital
-Boycott businesses that put ads in Christian newspapers and magazines
-Lie about ballot measure that would forcibly divorce several thousand Christian couples and put their children in jeopardy
-Push schools to encourage and support children leaving the Christian Lifestyle.
-Insult the relationships of Christians by suggesting they are short-lived, shallow, and revolve exclusively around sex.
-Spread lies about what Christians do to/with each other.
-Push for legislation to repeal any and all civil liberties that Christians enjoy, including marriage, adoption, and equal protection before the law.

Course you can just replace the word &quot;Christian(s)&quot; in the list above with the word &quot;homosexual(s)&quot; and it would be very accurate, so who exactly is the hateful ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I missed the Gay Meeting where we discussed our plans to:</p>
<p>-Keep Christians from holding certain jobs.<br />
-Keep Christians from living in certain areas<br />
-Violently attack Christians for being open about who they are<br />
-Enact laws to keep Christians from adopting children<br />
-Take Children away from their parents because they are Christians<br />
-Refuse to let Christians visit their loved ones in the hospital<br />
-Boycott businesses that put ads in Christian newspapers and magazines<br />
-Lie about ballot measure that would forcibly divorce several thousand Christian couples and put their children in jeopardy<br />
-Push schools to encourage and support children leaving the Christian Lifestyle.<br />
-Insult the relationships of Christians by suggesting they are short-lived, shallow, and revolve exclusively around sex.<br />
-Spread lies about what Christians do to/with each other.<br />
-Push for legislation to repeal any and all civil liberties that Christians enjoy, including marriage, adoption, and equal protection before the law.</p>
<p>Course you can just replace the word &#8220;Christian(s)&#8221; in the list above with the word &#8220;homosexual(s)&#8221; and it would be very accurate, so who exactly is the hateful ones?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N Waff--sure they can leave their perversion and rssote heterosexuality.

Ask Ted haggard. ask Lonnie Latham. ask Paul Barnes.

Ask a good portion of the roman catholic priesthood.

Honey-- you&#039;re just ignorant. educate yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N Waff&#8211;sure they can leave their perversion and rssote heterosexuality.</p>
<p>Ask Ted haggard. ask Lonnie Latham. ask Paul Barnes.</p>
<p>Ask a good portion of the roman catholic priesthood.</p>
<p>Honey&#8211; you&#8217;re just ignorant. educate yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: N Waff</title>
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		<dc:creator>N Waff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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= THE HYPOCRISY OF THE GAY AGENDA
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It’s amazing how the LGTB movement can express such venomous hate against those who they claim are “haters’ - such hypocrisy.

The problem with “gay marriage” is it’s not equality. It’s subjectively accepting this one other forms of “loving” relationship and rejecting polygamy, incest or pedophilia. “Gay Marriage” is not equality.

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And finally, the fact is people leave their sexual perversion and are able to restore their heterosexuality.

“Homosexual activist predicted takeover of nation” - http://www.afa.net/homosexual_agenda/takeover.asp</description>
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= THE HYPOCRISY OF THE GAY AGENDA<br />
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It’s amazing how the LGTB movement can express such venomous hate against those who they claim are “haters’ &#8211; such hypocrisy.</p>
<p>The problem with “gay marriage” is it’s not equality. It’s subjectively accepting this one other forms of “loving” relationship and rejecting polygamy, incest or pedophilia. “Gay Marriage” is not equality.</p>
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<p>And finally, the fact is people leave their sexual perversion and are able to restore their heterosexuality.</p>
<p>“Homosexual activist predicted takeover of nation” &#8211; <a href="http://www.afa.net/homosexual_agenda/takeover.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.afa.net/homosexual_agenda/takeover.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya,

If it is what you have been told by someone you trust, you may well believe anything.  So I don&#039;t necessarily fault the ill informed.

I&#039;m sure that I have many many false assumptions about a whole host of folks that are due to my surroundings or upbringing.  I hope that if I were presented with facts showing otherwise, I would not hold onto my biases.  And I would certainly not consider those false impressions to be based in animus, hatred, or bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya,</p>
<p>If it is what you have been told by someone you trust, you may well believe anything.  So I don&#8217;t necessarily fault the ill informed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that I have many many false assumptions about a whole host of folks that are due to my surroundings or upbringing.  I hope that if I were presented with facts showing otherwise, I would not hold onto my biases.  And I would certainly not consider those false impressions to be based in animus, hatred, or bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, its a matter of technical definitions and degree.  A slap and murder are both violence but they are in no way comparable.  By the same token there are bigots and then there are &lt;b&gt;bigots&lt;/b&gt;.  Technically if you oppose full gay equality you are a bigot and you have some, possibly very small, ill intent.  One doesn&#039;t believe that that marriage equality will lead to war with Iran or the dissolution of the family unit or the end of free speech or preachers being thrown in jail unless one has some unjustifiably negative attitudes towards gays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, its a matter of technical definitions and degree.  A slap and murder are both violence but they are in no way comparable.  By the same token there are bigots and then there are <b>bigots</b>.  Technically if you oppose full gay equality you are a bigot and you have some, possibly very small, ill intent.  One doesn&#8217;t believe that that marriage equality will lead to war with Iran or the dissolution of the family unit or the end of free speech or preachers being thrown in jail unless one has some unjustifiably negative attitudes towards gays.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would caution that the use of &quot;bigot&quot; be applied less freely.

There are non-bigoted reasons for marriage equality.  A person could support equality and have other reasons that they believed outweighed issues of equality.

For example, if I truly believed that marriage equality would lead to, say, war with Iran or the dissolution of the family unit or the end of free speech or preachers being thrown in jail for sermons or any of the other scare stories, I too might reluctantly oppose marriage equality.  That might make me a fool, but it wouldn&#039;t make me a bigot.

Others may just not &quot;be there&quot; yet.  There are folks who don&#039;t favor gay marriage who, in time with the right persuasion, will.  They just haven&#039;t had the right conversation, or spent any time thinking about it, or actually got to know a real living gay person.

And there are those who are just part of the crowd.  Everyone they know voted Yes so they did too.  Or their pastor said to vote yes.  Or some nice person called them from a phone bank.  Or their neighbor put up a yard sign.  They may not be very bright or they may not have any interest whatsoever and they may just be trying to be a good &quot;go along to get along&quot; part of their community.  Such people may have no animus of their own whatsoever and may genuinely be surprised and saddened that their actions hurt real (not televised militant activist) people.

There are a whole lot of people living in Bakersfield, Redding, Turlock, Chico, and Fresno that voted to ban gay marriage who did so due more to where they lived and who they know than to any ill intent on their part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would caution that the use of &#8220;bigot&#8221; be applied less freely.</p>
<p>There are non-bigoted reasons for marriage equality.  A person could support equality and have other reasons that they believed outweighed issues of equality.</p>
<p>For example, if I truly believed that marriage equality would lead to, say, war with Iran or the dissolution of the family unit or the end of free speech or preachers being thrown in jail for sermons or any of the other scare stories, I too might reluctantly oppose marriage equality.  That might make me a fool, but it wouldn&#8217;t make me a bigot.</p>
<p>Others may just not &#8220;be there&#8221; yet.  There are folks who don&#8217;t favor gay marriage who, in time with the right persuasion, will.  They just haven&#8217;t had the right conversation, or spent any time thinking about it, or actually got to know a real living gay person.</p>
<p>And there are those who are just part of the crowd.  Everyone they know voted Yes so they did too.  Or their pastor said to vote yes.  Or some nice person called them from a phone bank.  Or their neighbor put up a yard sign.  They may not be very bright or they may not have any interest whatsoever and they may just be trying to be a good &#8220;go along to get along&#8221; part of their community.  Such people may have no animus of their own whatsoever and may genuinely be surprised and saddened that their actions hurt real (not televised militant activist) people.</p>
<p>There are a whole lot of people living in Bakersfield, Redding, Turlock, Chico, and Fresno that voted to ban gay marriage who did so due more to where they lived and who they know than to any ill intent on their part.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attmay when your choice is between two bigots you have to take the lesser of two evils.  That is Obama by a long shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attmay when your choice is between two bigots you have to take the lesser of two evils.  That is Obama by a long shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are no non-bigoted reasons to oppose marriage equality. Therefore people who oppose marriage equality are bigots. Obama opposes marriage equality. Therefore, Obama is a bigot.&quot;

Amen. And to carry that further, anyone who votes for a bigot is an enabler of bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are no non-bigoted reasons to oppose marriage equality. Therefore people who oppose marriage equality are bigots. Obama opposes marriage equality. Therefore, Obama is a bigot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen. And to carry that further, anyone who votes for a bigot is an enabler of bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate crimes legislation and eliminating the tax penalty for domestic partners in two years would be far more than you got from Bush in 8 years.  If you consider that to be nothing you&#039;re out to lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate crimes legislation and eliminating the tax penalty for domestic partners in two years would be far more than you got from Bush in 8 years.  If you consider that to be nothing you&#8217;re out to lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Junius Brutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Junius Brutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hate crimes legislation and eliminating the tax penalty for domestic partners are by definition something so you’re quite out to lunch here.&quot;

I don&#039;t think you get what I meant. You tried to make the standard &#039;not nothing&#039;, which I don&#039;t think is enough. And yes, if he decides to throw a bone, I&#039;ll consider that to be nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hate crimes legislation and eliminating the tax penalty for domestic partners are by definition something so you’re quite out to lunch here.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you get what I meant. You tried to make the standard &#8216;not nothing&#8217;, which I don&#8217;t think is enough. And yes, if he decides to throw a bone, I&#8217;ll consider that to be nothing.</p>
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