Comments on: Sean Kennedy’s Murderer Up For Early Parole http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:53:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Colbey http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-31464 Colbey Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:27:03 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-31464 South Carolina needs to be be shaken up. We need to focus on one issue at a time, and GET IT DONE. Maybe someone needs to organize a march in Columbia some time...I don't know. Just like the people who owned the AT&T stores in Seneca, getting replaced because they were gay...discrimination is happening all the time, but in Sean's case..it was the ultimate hate crime. How could it be any less obvious? South Carolina needs to be be shaken up. We need to focus on one issue at a time, and GET IT DONE. Maybe someone needs to organize a march in Columbia some time…I don’t know. Just like the people who owned the AT&T stores in Seneca, getting replaced because they were gay…discrimination is happening all the time, but in Sean’s case..it was the ultimate hate crime. How could it be any less obvious?

]]> By: staci http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-30150 staci Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:44:54 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-30150 As I mentioned in my earlier post, I am a lesbian that used to live in SC. Just moved away in October. I have never run across so many bigots and rednecks in my entire life. I really hated it there. My landscaper actually brought his brother over to gawk at me and my domestic partner and said "Ya'll don't look like most lesbians." I even had to switch banks because the first bank refused to recognize my power of attorney once they asked what our relationship was. They were honoring it just fine for over a year, until they asked for our relationship status. Of course, the bank employee had a WWJD business card holder on her desk. These are just a couple of the many incidents that happened to me personally and I know of many more incidents with others in the GLBT community. A lot more goes on than what you see. Trust me. This Stephen Moller is just the tip of the iceberg. I do not buy the lack of education excuse. It comes down to common decency. It does not take a high school education to know that murder is wrong. Harassment is wrong. Sorry for the ramble and that this post is rather disjointed but I am very upset with the way the state of SC perceives this as normal behavior and that it is ok that it happened to a gay person. I am so irritated with GLBT treatment and murders there and if I had known what I know now, I would never have set foot in that state in the first place. I have lived all over the world and never encountered so many sexist and prejudice people as I did in that state. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I am a lesbian that used to live in SC. Just moved away in October. I have never run across so many bigots and rednecks in my entire life. I really hated it there. My landscaper actually brought his brother over to gawk at me and my domestic partner and said “Ya’ll don’t look like most lesbians.” I even had to switch banks because the first bank refused to recognize my power of attorney once they asked what our relationship was. They were honoring it just fine for over a year, until they asked for our relationship status. Of course, the bank employee had a WWJD business card holder on her desk. These are just a couple of the many incidents that happened to me personally and I know of many more incidents with others in the GLBT community. A lot more goes on than what you see. Trust me.

This Stephen Moller is just the tip of the iceberg. I do not buy the lack of education excuse. It comes down to common decency. It does not take a high school education to know that murder is wrong. Harassment is wrong.

Sorry for the ramble and that this post is rather disjointed but I am very upset with the way the state of SC perceives this as normal behavior and that it is ok that it happened to a gay person. I am so irritated with GLBT treatment and murders there and if I had known what I know now, I would never have set foot in that state in the first place. I have lived all over the world and never encountered so many sexist and prejudice people as I did in that state.

]]> By: Scott http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-30083 Scott Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:39:30 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-30083 I apologized for my rudeness once, it won't be repeated. I apologized for my rudeness once, it won’t be repeated.

]]> By: elizabeth http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-30082 elizabeth Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:10:38 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-30082 Guys- I'm not here to defend, excuse or even to impose my beliefs on anyone. Maybe I was mistaken to believe that as a human being and Lesbian, I would be allowed to join a civilized conversation to help me and maybe even others understand and deal w/ issues such as these. As family, I feel comfortable talking about Stephen, but I dare not speak of anyone else out of respect, not b/c I don't see the other side of this story and don't put any value on it. I would absolutely not pretend to have any idea what the Kennedy family is going through. I'm only looking for an understanding within my own self. Scott- I don't seek an apology for your rudeness. You're entitled to your opinion of me, but to suggest I'm "not needed" was not necessary... maybe you should join me in my quest for therapy. Guys-
I’m not here to defend, excuse or even to impose my beliefs on anyone. Maybe I was mistaken to believe that as a human being and Lesbian, I would be allowed to join a civilized conversation to help me and maybe even others understand and deal w/ issues such as these. As family, I feel comfortable talking about Stephen, but I dare not speak of anyone else out of respect, not b/c I don’t see the other side of this story and don’t put any value on it. I would absolutely not pretend to have any idea what the Kennedy family is going through. I’m only looking for an understanding within my own self.

Scott-
I don’t seek an apology for your rudeness. You’re entitled to your opinion of me, but to suggest I’m “not needed” was not necessary… maybe you should join me in my quest for therapy.

]]> By: Ben in Oakland http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-30079 Ben in Oakland Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:44:46 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-30079 Scott-- though I understand your feelings, civility, whether on this website or in real life, is always called for. That doesn't mean you can't be angry--and show it. It doesn't mean you can't tell the truth. Back when I was a probation officer, dealing with what we laughingly called our "clientele"-- I found the value of always maintaining courtesy and civility. I could say very nicely "Sir, you are a career criminal with no interest in leading a law-abiding and productive life. I'm going to recommend that you be returned to prison." they responded with civility as well. Regarding Elizabeth: though it sounds like a hate crime, that is really not what is important. Nor is the pretty legal distinction between manslaughter and murder, though the distinction has benefited your cousin. What is important: your cousin chose deliberately to kill another person whose offense seem to be that he existed. It wasn't an accident, he didn't have a psychotic break, nobody slipped him an LSD mickey in the fruit punch, the victim didn't sodomize him while he was asleep. What is important: your cousin is serving 2 years for the murder of a young man whom he did not know and who had done him no harm-- except existing. Lots of sociopathic personalities, like your cousin, are full of warm hearts and open arms. That's their trademark--being nice people. It's what makes them so attractive, and so capable of doing the harm they do. Dan White, handsome and likeable, a good family man, murdered my mayor and my supervisor 30 years ago. Another sociopathic personality. Probably, and probably like your cousin, fighting his own demons and blaming others, who don't have those demons, for the effrontery of not having them. It's hardly a new story. Dan white, sociopath, got seven years for his conviction of manslaughter, and was out in 5. The verdict was his vindication, not his punishment. But because I would like to believe that he had some goodness in him, his punishment came after, because he was not a strong man. That's why he used a gun. And that is why he killed himself If your cousin is even a tenth of a man, he will spend the rest of his life atoning for his evil. When he's been at it for a few years, let me know. but other than that, you are placing your affection for your cousin over the value of a the life of a young man whom he killed/murder/manslaughtered for his own sociopathic reasons. Birds and flocks, my dear. Scott– though I understand your feelings, civility, whether on this website or in real life, is always called for. That doesn’t mean you can’t be angry–and show it. It doesn’t mean you can’t tell the truth. Back when
I was a probation officer, dealing with what we laughingly called our “clientele”– I found the value of always maintaining courtesy and civility. I could say very nicely “Sir, you are a career criminal with no interest in leading a law-abiding and productive life. I’m going to recommend that you be returned to prison.” they responded with civility as well.

Regarding Elizabeth: though it sounds like a hate crime, that is really not what is important. Nor is the pretty legal distinction between manslaughter and murder, though the distinction has benefited your cousin.

What is important: your cousin chose deliberately to kill another person whose offense seem to be that he existed. It wasn’t an accident, he didn’t have a psychotic break, nobody slipped him an LSD mickey in the fruit punch, the victim didn’t sodomize him while he was asleep.

What is important: your cousin is serving 2 years for the murder of a young man whom he did not know and who had done him no harm– except existing.

Lots of sociopathic personalities, like your cousin, are full of warm hearts and open arms. That’s their trademark–being nice people. It’s what makes them so attractive, and so capable of doing the harm they do.

Dan White, handsome and likeable, a good family man, murdered my mayor and my supervisor 30 years ago. Another sociopathic personality. Probably, and probably like your cousin, fighting his own demons and blaming others, who don’t have those demons, for the effrontery of not having them. It’s hardly a new story.

Dan white, sociopath, got seven years for his conviction of manslaughter, and was out in 5. The verdict was his vindication, not his punishment. But because I would like to believe that he had some goodness in him, his punishment came after, because he was not a strong man. That’s why he used a gun. And that is why he killed himself

If your cousin is even a tenth of a man, he will spend the rest of his life atoning for his evil.

When he’s been at it for a few years, let me know. but other than that, you are placing your affection for your cousin over the value of a the life of a young man whom he killed/murder/manslaughtered for his own sociopathic reasons.

Birds and flocks, my dear.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-30078 Timothy Kincaid Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:25:59 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-30078 no prob :) no prob

:)

]]> By: Scott http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-30076 Scott Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:50:14 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-30076 My apologies. My apologies.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-30074 Timothy Kincaid Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:37:23 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-30074 Scott, The time for civility <b>on this blogsite</b> is right now. We don't engage in "people like you" comments here. Scott,

The time for civility on this blogsite is right now. We don’t engage in “people like you” comments here.

]]> By: Scott http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-30073 Scott Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:34:50 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-30073 I apologize to the general readership, Tim, but not to elisabeth. She refuses to see what her defense of her cousin really is, and that is to excuse him. And I, personally, have been through too much to put up with crap like she has been dishing out and not respond. the time for civility in facing those who hurt us, and those who protect and try to mitigate the actions of people like Moller, is long past. I apologize to the general readership, Tim, but not to elisabeth. She refuses to see what her defense of her cousin really is, and that is to excuse him. And I, personally, have been through too much to put up with crap like she has been dishing out and not respond. the time for civility in facing those who hurt us, and those who protect and try to mitigate the actions of people like Moller, is long past.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/05/7796/comment-page-1#comment-30072 Timothy Kincaid Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:28:57 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=7796#comment-30072 Scott, Your last comment is uncivil and uncalled for. Elizabeth, You are making exuses, condoning the action (by claiming it is something other than it is), and seeking to find sympathy. The facts show that this was a hate crime. Your efforts to convince anyone here otherwise are unlikely to succeed. We are neither idiots or enablers of this thug. Scott,

Your last comment is uncivil and uncalled for.

Elizabeth,

You are making exuses, condoning the action (by claiming it is something other than it is), and seeking to find sympathy.

The facts show that this was a hate crime. Your efforts to convince anyone here otherwise are unlikely to succeed. We are neither idiots or enablers of this thug.

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