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	<title>Comments on: Warren&#8217;s Counterproductive AIDS Efforts in Africa</title>
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		<title>By: Truth Wins Out - U.S. Taxpayers May Fund Ex-Gay Campaign for Uganda Antigay Violence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Wins Out - U.S. Taxpayers May Fund Ex-Gay Campaign for Uganda Antigay Violence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to tens of millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars that were intended for AIDS prevention, but which increased the spread of AIDS through vigilantism, prejudice, miseducation, and denial of access to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tab Dump &#171; Blog By Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tab Dump &#171; Blog By Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rick Warren&#8217;s anti-Aids efforts are homophobic and harmful. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Love</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/07/7854/comment-page-1#comment-30034</link>
		<dc:creator>Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Ugandan, and I&#039;ve witnessed all what these guys are claiming.
1- Dr. Martin has helped my nation very much as regards HIV/AIDS prevention. Initially Makerere was a dean of death! lots of our relatives were dying at the university, reason being HIV/AIDS. the spread was so much causal sex, and sex promotions, with out a full knowledge of what sex entails. its not a matter of just sleeping with someone. Sex has ability to reproduce (bear children), it entails much more, emotion, physical and spiritual....

About the the &quot;Burning of Condoms&quot;.. Initially the government had detected that more than a Million NGABO condoms were deffected(http://abstinenceafrica.com/library/index.php?entryid=1780), and they were supposed to be destroyed to protect our people, The government had to destroy them. Dr. Martin helped us alot, he protected our lives by burning those condoms. I WOULD BE A STATISTIC this day if I WERE TO USE THOSE DEADLY CONDOMS.

I urge you to read more and get to the ground.. there many Ugandans in Uganda, who know this, and its a shame that you biased your article, your fellow writers and journalists have written about the matter since 2005 but u&#039;re still giving fake information. Which kinda of writer are you? you&#039;ve to give REAL TRUTH!!!..

There are lots of links to help you...http://www.google.se/search?q=How+Fake+Condoms+Got+Onto+the+Market&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Ugandan, and I&#8217;ve witnessed all what these guys are claiming.<br />
1- Dr. Martin has helped my nation very much as regards HIV/AIDS prevention. Initially Makerere was a dean of death! lots of our relatives were dying at the university, reason being HIV/AIDS. the spread was so much causal sex, and sex promotions, with out a full knowledge of what sex entails. its not a matter of just sleeping with someone. Sex has ability to reproduce (bear children), it entails much more, emotion, physical and spiritual&#8230;.</p>
<p>About the the &#8220;Burning of Condoms&#8221;.. Initially the government had detected that more than a Million NGABO condoms were deffected(http://abstinenceafrica.com/library/index.php?entryid=1780), and they were supposed to be destroyed to protect our people, The government had to destroy them. Dr. Martin helped us alot, he protected our lives by burning those condoms. I WOULD BE A STATISTIC this day if I WERE TO USE THOSE DEADLY CONDOMS.</p>
<p>I urge you to read more and get to the ground.. there many Ugandans in Uganda, who know this, and its a shame that you biased your article, your fellow writers and journalists have written about the matter since 2005 but u&#8217;re still giving fake information. Which kinda of writer are you? you&#8217;ve to give REAL TRUTH!!!..</p>
<p>There are lots of links to help you&#8230;http://www.google.se/search?q=How+Fake+Condoms+Got+Onto+the+Market&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we all get to do further reflection on Mr. Warren&#039;s profession and his affiliations, let&#039;s do note that it is these affiliations that get him his troubles.  Baptists should know better.

While there may be a little sunlight between him and the initiators and funders of the Proposition 8 campaign, he signed up by repeating the party line, asserting when it was clearly false that civil recognition of same sex marriages would compel churches to refrain from criticizing homosexuality.  This same affiliation led him further into the swamp.  Obvious violations of common sense, like the widely noted comparisons to bestiality and sex with children are not ways to reach out to the unconvinced.  They are ways to assert affiliation with traditional religionists critiques of homosexual behavior.  

One might wonder why, given that his church is not in Utah or Arizona, he would choose this foolishness instead of the ostentatiously principled stance he could have taken: &#039;While I think gay men should not marry each other or women who do not know what is up, this campaign is telling you lies.  Christians should not enter lies into civil discourse.  Our God loses even if we win the day.&quot;  The calculation behind the stance would be. &#039;If Prop 8 wins I get to look principled, if it loses I get to look prophetic.&#039; Either outcome would have enhanced his reputation with persons likely to become members of his church or buy his books.  He sold that for the ever- popular mess of bean soup that is the approval and affiliation of other powerful men.

While arguably worse, in that it helps people who cannot afford American medical care to get AIDS, the African performance boils down to pretty much the same thing: Leadership affiliation trumping honest and informed witness.

This is all very sad, but it is important to say so crisply, without sending too much spit flying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we all get to do further reflection on Mr. Warren&#8217;s profession and his affiliations, let&#8217;s do note that it is these affiliations that get him his troubles.  Baptists should know better.</p>
<p>While there may be a little sunlight between him and the initiators and funders of the Proposition 8 campaign, he signed up by repeating the party line, asserting when it was clearly false that civil recognition of same sex marriages would compel churches to refrain from criticizing homosexuality.  This same affiliation led him further into the swamp.  Obvious violations of common sense, like the widely noted comparisons to bestiality and sex with children are not ways to reach out to the unconvinced.  They are ways to assert affiliation with traditional religionists critiques of homosexual behavior.  </p>
<p>One might wonder why, given that his church is not in Utah or Arizona, he would choose this foolishness instead of the ostentatiously principled stance he could have taken: &#8216;While I think gay men should not marry each other or women who do not know what is up, this campaign is telling you lies.  Christians should not enter lies into civil discourse.  Our God loses even if we win the day.&#8221;  The calculation behind the stance would be. &#8216;If Prop 8 wins I get to look principled, if it loses I get to look prophetic.&#8217; Either outcome would have enhanced his reputation with persons likely to become members of his church or buy his books.  He sold that for the ever- popular mess of bean soup that is the approval and affiliation of other powerful men.</p>
<p>While arguably worse, in that it helps people who cannot afford American medical care to get AIDS, the African performance boils down to pretty much the same thing: Leadership affiliation trumping honest and informed witness.</p>
<p>This is all very sad, but it is important to say so crisply, without sending too much spit flying.</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianT</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is disgraceful. The more I learn about Rick Warren, the more I despise him. And by the way, this is the same man who just 2 years ago, happily posed with the Syrian president, Assad. While enjoying the hospitality of a regime that sponsors murder in Lebanon and al-Qaida terrorism in Iraq, he happily undermined the government by denouncing the presence of US soldiers in Iraq.   

He furthermore said Jews would be denied salvation, and takes his inspiration from a lunatic pastor called Wallie Amos Criswell, who fought against the civil rights movement in the 1960&#039;s, preached hatred against Mormons and looked forward to Armageddon.

That Warren&#039;s presence is an insult to LGBTs is, frankly, just the tip of the iceberg. This is an unpatriotic, sectarian, Anti-semitic, opportunistic, power-hungry charlatan, who is now exploiting the Inauguration to boost his ugly religious business interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is disgraceful. The more I learn about Rick Warren, the more I despise him. And by the way, this is the same man who just 2 years ago, happily posed with the Syrian president, Assad. While enjoying the hospitality of a regime that sponsors murder in Lebanon and al-Qaida terrorism in Iraq, he happily undermined the government by denouncing the presence of US soldiers in Iraq.   </p>
<p>He furthermore said Jews would be denied salvation, and takes his inspiration from a lunatic pastor called Wallie Amos Criswell, who fought against the civil rights movement in the 1960&#8217;s, preached hatred against Mormons and looked forward to Armageddon.</p>
<p>That Warren&#8217;s presence is an insult to LGBTs is, frankly, just the tip of the iceberg. This is an unpatriotic, sectarian, Anti-semitic, opportunistic, power-hungry charlatan, who is now exploiting the Inauguration to boost his ugly religious business interests.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re being a little too generous, I think. Unless Warren is clinically delusional, one can assume that he is well-aware of Ssempa&#039;s homophobic campaigns and the inefficacy of abstinence-only programs. That doesn&#039;t make me respect him less; it makes he despise him more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re being a little too generous, I think. Unless Warren is clinically delusional, one can assume that he is well-aware of Ssempa&#8217;s homophobic campaigns and the inefficacy of abstinence-only programs. That doesn&#8217;t make me respect him less; it makes he despise him more.</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more one looks, the less there is to like. There&#039;s smoke billowing everywhere, and we can all guess where it&#039;s blowing from.

Perhaps... soon, Timothy, you too will drop using the compassion-word; except in an ironic way?

CoNpassion would be more appropriate, given the efforts and the outcomes.

(actually, I kind of like that as a new word for publicly-funded religious evangelism disguised as a secular interest in the welfare of others!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more one looks, the less there is to like. There&#8217;s smoke billowing everywhere, and we can all guess where it&#8217;s blowing from.</p>
<p>Perhaps&#8230; soon, Timothy, you too will drop using the compassion-word; except in an ironic way?</p>
<p>CoNpassion would be more appropriate, given the efforts and the outcomes.</p>
<p>(actually, I kind of like that as a new word for publicly-funded religious evangelism disguised as a secular interest in the welfare of others!)</p>
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		<title>By: elaygee</title>
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		<dc:creator>elaygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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