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	<title>Comments on: NY&#8217;s New Senator Announced</title>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/23/8280/comment-page-1#comment-31428</link>
		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point well taken, Timothy. Thanks for clearing that up.

She did, however, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zimbio.com/Kirsten+Gillibrand/articles/7/Breaking+Kirsten+new+Hillary&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;turn down the chance to co-sponsor&lt;/a&gt; all four of those bills. All four of the bills had over a hundred Democratic co-sponsors, so they weren&#039;t small or obscure bills; and according to HRC&#039;s Scorecard, Gillibrand has the worst record of supporting GLBT issues of any New York Democrat. So it&#039;s fair to say that Gillibrand has been the least supportive Representative of any Dem from New York. We could have done a lot better, imo.

Nonetheless, she hasn&#039;t actually voted &lt;em&gt;against &lt;/em&gt;these things, so it&#039;s not as bad as it at first appeared. I&#039;ve updated my post to clarify this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point well taken, Timothy. Thanks for clearing that up.</p>
<p>She did, however, <a href="http://www.zimbio.com/Kirsten+Gillibrand/articles/7/Breaking+Kirsten+new+Hillary" rel="nofollow">turn down the chance to co-sponsor</a> all four of those bills. All four of the bills had over a hundred Democratic co-sponsors, so they weren&#8217;t small or obscure bills; and according to HRC&#8217;s Scorecard, Gillibrand has the worst record of supporting GLBT issues of any New York Democrat. So it&#8217;s fair to say that Gillibrand has been the least supportive Representative of any Dem from New York. We could have done a lot better, imo.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, she hasn&#8217;t actually voted <em>against </em>these things, so it&#8217;s not as bad as it at first appeared. I&#8217;ve updated my post to clarify this.</p>
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		<title>By: NY Gov Selects Kirsten Gillibrand For Senate, Throwing Latin@s, Queers, and Progressives Under The Bus &#171; Blog By Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>NY Gov Selects Kirsten Gillibrand For Senate, Throwing Latin@s, Queers, and Progressives Under The Bus &#171; Blog By Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] vote against any of those four LGBT issues, because they were never brought to a vote. (Thanks to Timothy at Box Turtle Bulletin for pointing this out to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] vote against any of those four LGBT issues, because they were never brought to a vote. (Thanks to Timothy at Box Turtle Bulletin for pointing this out to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She embodies principals that classic Republicanism is supposed to embody. But today we&#039;re a long way away from the party of Lincoln.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She embodies principals that classic Republicanism is supposed to embody. But today we&#8217;re a long way away from the party of Lincoln.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/23/8280/comment-page-1#comment-31421</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ampersand,

The reporting about her record is flawed.  The claim is that she voted agianst or opposed specific items of pro-gay legislation but that doesn&#039;t appear to be true.

This legislation never even made it to a vote.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hrc.org/documents/Congress_Scorecard-110th.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;She lost points on HRC&#039;s survey&lt;/a&gt; because they asked legislators to co-sponsors legislation on a number of issues.  She did not co-sponsor these four items.

I do not know why she didn&#039;t sign up as a co-sponsor but it is completely unfair to equate this with &quot;opposition to&quot; or &quot;voting against&quot; legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ampersand,</p>
<p>The reporting about her record is flawed.  The claim is that she voted agianst or opposed specific items of pro-gay legislation but that doesn&#8217;t appear to be true.</p>
<p>This legislation never even made it to a vote.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hrc.org/documents/Congress_Scorecard-110th.pdf" rel="nofollow">She lost points on HRC&#8217;s survey</a> because they asked legislators to co-sponsors legislation on a number of issues.  She did not co-sponsor these four items.</p>
<p>I do not know why she didn&#8217;t sign up as a co-sponsor but it is completely unfair to equate this with &#8220;opposition to&#8221; or &#8220;voting against&#8221; legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Pender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry -- &quot;you cannot do those things WITHOUT being cosmopolitan.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8212; &#8220;you cannot do those things WITHOUT being cosmopolitan.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pender</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/23/8280/comment-page-1#comment-31419</link>
		<dc:creator>Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also worth noting is that she is not really some upstate hillbilly. She graduated with high honors from Dartmouth, attended UCLA law, started out at a very prestigious New York City law firm, and then became a partner at a different prestigious law firm. You cannot do those things while being cosmopolitan. At my own prestigious New York City, law firm, a lot of the partners consider themselves conservative because of taxes, but on social issues they are to a one supportive of gay equality. To the extent that Gillibrand is at all conservative, this is the model she follows.

So on the one hand, yes, she should back up her new positions with actions, and I will be fair about judging whether she does so once she has a chance. But on the other hand, there is no reason to be skeptical; she is obviously very smart and very cosmopolitan, and pretty much every person who fits that description is with us in this fight. In demographic terms, it was her former (bigoted) position that was the outlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also worth noting is that she is not really some upstate hillbilly. She graduated with high honors from Dartmouth, attended UCLA law, started out at a very prestigious New York City law firm, and then became a partner at a different prestigious law firm. You cannot do those things while being cosmopolitan. At my own prestigious New York City, law firm, a lot of the partners consider themselves conservative because of taxes, but on social issues they are to a one supportive of gay equality. To the extent that Gillibrand is at all conservative, this is the model she follows.</p>
<p>So on the one hand, yes, she should back up her new positions with actions, and I will be fair about judging whether she does so once she has a chance. But on the other hand, there is no reason to be skeptical; she is obviously very smart and very cosmopolitan, and pretty much every person who fits that description is with us in this fight. In demographic terms, it was her former (bigoted) position that was the outlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, for a New York Democrat, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2009/01/23/ny-gov-selects-kirsten-gillibrand-for-senate-throwing-latins-queers-and-progressives-under-the-bus/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;her record on gay rights is pretty dismal&lt;/a&gt;. Her statement this morning is an abrupt flip flop of her prior positions.

Which is good -- but until she&#039;s proven herself, I don&#039;t think you should give her credit for being anything but a two-faced politician who knows that she can&#039;t win statewide by being anti-gay, like she could in her little right-wing district.

The real credit goes to the New York State GLBT community, for being powerful enough so that statewide politicians feel the need for their support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, for a New York Democrat, <a href="http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2009/01/23/ny-gov-selects-kirsten-gillibrand-for-senate-throwing-latins-queers-and-progressives-under-the-bus/" rel="nofollow">her record on gay rights is pretty dismal</a>. Her statement this morning is an abrupt flip flop of her prior positions.</p>
<p>Which is good &#8212; but until she&#8217;s proven herself, I don&#8217;t think you should give her credit for being anything but a two-faced politician who knows that she can&#8217;t win statewide by being anti-gay, like she could in her little right-wing district.</p>
<p>The real credit goes to the New York State GLBT community, for being powerful enough so that statewide politicians feel the need for their support.</p>
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		<title>By: Pomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s rare to find a politician who is fiscally conservative, favorable to gun rights, and fully supportive of equality for gay citizens.&quot;

Sounds just like me. Only no one votes for libertarians...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s rare to find a politician who is fiscally conservative, favorable to gun rights, and fully supportive of equality for gay citizens.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds just like me. Only no one votes for libertarians&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a Libertarian to me.  I think she is a great choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a Libertarian to me.  I think she is a great choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Pender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too. A fiscal conservative / social liberal is the perfect politician in my book. It&#039;s why I supported Hillary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too. A fiscal conservative / social liberal is the perfect politician in my book. It&#8217;s why I supported Hillary.</p>
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