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	<title>Comments on: No Sex Please, We&#8217;re Gay</title>
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		<title>By: Gangster72</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gangster72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a smaller effect than what we found in the cross&#039;national specifications, but it is still noteworthy. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a smaller effect than what we found in the cross&#8217;national specifications, but it is still noteworthy. ,</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - Sylvia was there.  Sylvia did not instigate or start the riot.  She was just there.  Even she never claimed to have more than having just been there.

Hypatia - Read your history on Stonewall.  It was the drag queens at Stonewall that threw the first stone.  It was the drag queens that finally spoke up.  It was not the regular gays.  It was not the lesbians.  It was not the transgender people that were there.  THAT is the reason that drag queens are given the credit.  They started the riot.  they open ed the door.  the rest just followed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; Sylvia was there.  Sylvia did not instigate or start the riot.  She was just there.  Even she never claimed to have more than having just been there.</p>
<p>Hypatia &#8211; Read your history on Stonewall.  It was the drag queens at Stonewall that threw the first stone.  It was the drag queens that finally spoke up.  It was not the regular gays.  It was not the lesbians.  It was not the transgender people that were there.  THAT is the reason that drag queens are given the credit.  They started the riot.  they open ed the door.  the rest just followed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care if the mayor had sex with another consenting adult -- which is what an 18-year-old is. Rumor has it that a straight politician somewhere once had sex with a younger woman. I&#039;ll post my source on that once I track it down.

What I&#039;m unclear on is if this young yet legal adult was Adams&#039; subordinate in the workplace at the time of the affair (or hookup). I&#039;ve seen &quot;intern&quot; and &quot;former intern,&quot; so I don&#039;t know if there was any professional misconduct.

Adams should face the music if there was actual professional misconduct. But if it just looks seedy because of the age difference, without any legal or ethical rules broken, then the mayor&#039;s critics should shut up and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care if the mayor had sex with another consenting adult &#8212; which is what an 18-year-old is. Rumor has it that a straight politician somewhere once had sex with a younger woman. I&#8217;ll post my source on that once I track it down.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m unclear on is if this young yet legal adult was Adams&#8217; subordinate in the workplace at the time of the affair (or hookup). I&#8217;ve seen &#8220;intern&#8221; and &#8220;former intern,&#8221; so I don&#8217;t know if there was any professional misconduct.</p>
<p>Adams should face the music if there was actual professional misconduct. But if it just looks seedy because of the age difference, without any legal or ethical rules broken, then the mayor&#8217;s critics should shut up and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Hypatia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hypatia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hypatia - It’s because they were drag queens at Stonewall. They were not, I repeat, NOT, transgender.&quot; - Mike

Interesting, how do you come to the conclusion that nobody at the Stonewall riots was transgendered? Especially with such force as to repeat it so marvelously and without citation. 
I really do think I&#039;m making a reasonable point about terminology here.
Or do you think that larger groups inherantly get to define the identities of smaller groups?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hypatia &#8211; It’s because they were drag queens at Stonewall. They were not, I repeat, NOT, transgender.&#8221; &#8211; Mike</p>
<p>Interesting, how do you come to the conclusion that nobody at the Stonewall riots was transgendered? Especially with such force as to repeat it so marvelously and without citation.<br />
I really do think I&#8217;m making a reasonable point about terminology here.<br />
Or do you think that larger groups inherantly get to define the identities of smaller groups?</p>
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		<title>By: CLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily&quot; Barely not-17 is like barely not pregnant. You are really pushing things to try to make your argument. That is just daft.

The Dr. makes several errors or helps perpetuate them. The &quot;intern&quot; was not an intern with Adams or in the same department. He worked in the legislature and Adams worked in the city. Second, that also means there was no &quot;authority&quot; over the &quot;intern&quot; either. There was no abuse of a position involved. 

It was simply consenting dating between two people both of whom were legally adults and allowed to make that choice. Of course in Emily&#039;s world the &quot;barely not 17&quot; would apparently still be treated like children. 

What prudes the gay community has turned into. It is all to gain the respectablity of the bigots who hate. That is a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily&#8221; Barely not-17 is like barely not pregnant. You are really pushing things to try to make your argument. That is just daft.</p>
<p>The Dr. makes several errors or helps perpetuate them. The &#8220;intern&#8221; was not an intern with Adams or in the same department. He worked in the legislature and Adams worked in the city. Second, that also means there was no &#8220;authority&#8221; over the &#8220;intern&#8221; either. There was no abuse of a position involved. </p>
<p>It was simply consenting dating between two people both of whom were legally adults and allowed to make that choice. Of course in Emily&#8217;s world the &#8220;barely not 17&#8243; would apparently still be treated like children. </p>
<p>What prudes the gay community has turned into. It is all to gain the respectablity of the bigots who hate. That is a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Milk&#8217; will be seen : Equality Loudoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Milk&#8217; will be seen : Equality Loudoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lot of things have changed in thirty years; a good example is the reaction of our community to the Sam Adams sex scandal. But one thing that hasn&#8217;t changed is that gay kids are still [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lot of things have changed in thirty years; a good example is the reaction of our community to the Sam Adams sex scandal. But one thing that hasn&#8217;t changed is that gay kids are still [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;It still seems to amount to something seedy. Again, I ask, why did he feel the need to so thoroughly cover it up if there was nothing wrong going on? Why did he put himself inside another closet?&quot;

Why do any of us put ourselves inside any number of closets? How many of us are still in unspoken closets with our own versions of &quot;Don&#039;t Ask, Don&#039;t Tell?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;It still seems to amount to something seedy. Again, I ask, why did he feel the need to so thoroughly cover it up if there was nothing wrong going on? Why did he put himself inside another closet?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do any of us put ourselves inside any number of closets? How many of us are still in unspoken closets with our own versions of &#8220;Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Sylvia Rivera was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Rivera&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;transgender activist,&lt;/a&gt; not a drag queen.

That&#039;s not to say there neither any drag queens nor transvestites there. But we do know that transgender people were a part of that attempted illegal round-up at Stonewall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Sylvia Rivera was a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Rivera" rel="nofollow">transgender activist,</a> not a drag queen.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say there neither any drag queens nor transvestites there. But we do know that transgender people were a part of that attempted illegal round-up at Stonewall.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypatia - It&#039;s because they were drag queens at Stonewall.  They were not, I repeat, NOT, transgender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypatia &#8211; It&#8217;s because they were drag queens at Stonewall.  They were not, I repeat, NOT, transgender.</p>
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		<title>By: Hypatia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hypatia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Stonewall’s bottle-throwing drag queens could never have imagined that the movement they fired up would one day bring us Log Cabin Republicans or openly gay evangelical Christians.&quot;

Why is it when transgender people (specifically transwomen) show up in discussions like this they always get referred to as drag queens? A drag queen is a specific form of performer who may or may not be female identified or transgendered. The women at the stonewall riot (i.e. Syvia Rivera and others) weren&#039;t performers, so can we stop for a moment and consider the terms we use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Stonewall’s bottle-throwing drag queens could never have imagined that the movement they fired up would one day bring us Log Cabin Republicans or openly gay evangelical Christians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is it when transgender people (specifically transwomen) show up in discussions like this they always get referred to as drag queens? A drag queen is a specific form of performer who may or may not be female identified or transgendered. The women at the stonewall riot (i.e. Syvia Rivera and others) weren&#8217;t performers, so can we stop for a moment and consider the terms we use?</p>
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