You may wish to recall that many of “the people who were against porp 8″ had their marriages revoked.

So let me ask you, Jeanine, which would you rather have:

a) the amount of “harassment” that you have personally experienced so far for supporting Proposition 8, or

b) having your marriage revoked by a vote of stranger?

Dear Gloria,

No, you are not evil because you don’t share my beliefs.

But you do seek to give those who share your beliefs preference under the law and you seek to harm the lives and livelihoods of those who do not share your beliefs and you absolutely refuse to treat your neighbor as yourself.

So I’m curious, exactly what word would you use instead of evil to describe your attitude and behavior?

And I am also sure that they would not consider an $80 million dollar campaign fight over whether to recognize Mormon marriages in California to be the least bit hate inspired.

What riots are you referring to? The rather mild protests that occurred here in Los Angeles and else where? My god, I remember my family telling me about the “riot” in Salt Lake City during the ’02 Olympics when the beer tent was shut down. A trash can was set on fire and a store window was broken. More real property damage happened during that pathetic excuse for a “riot” than happened in all of California in the aftermath of Prop. H8′s passage!

So many of you cried about a little spray paint on your temple guard walls, but we sure as hell didn’t hear any of you cry about “sacred church structures” when an M.C.C had it’s windows broken out! Gay-oriented, and even gay-friendly churches have been FIRE-BOMBED. Think that’s equal with a little spray-paint? Bet you do.

We keep hearing how all a gay couple needs to do is get a medical power of attorney drawn up to ensure hospital visits, et cetera. Ever hear about the lesbian couple in Florida where one collapsed just before a cruise vacation? The hospital refused, point-blank, to recognize the survivor’s P.O.A. and the patient died knowing her lover of many years, and their children, were being denied access in her last minutes. Bet you think that’s only right, huh?

If anyone in this country were to fire you for your religion, you’d have an automatic lawsuit. But in the majority of the states (including and especially, in Utah) a gay person can be fired just for being gay. Think that’s fair? I’ll bet you do.

Please, spare us your heterosexism.

You haven’t been harassed. Try wearing my boots for a while. I’ll give you some very personal examples if you would like.

Where, where, WHERE did this asinine argument come from? I’m assuming you’re getting this from the Methodist church in New Jersey that was PUBLICLY renting a pavilion out. The reason they were sued and lost was because it was a PUBLIC accommodation. When they stopped renting the space out, they were allowed to decide who could, and who COULD NOT get married there.

Since the Mormon (note the capital letter, since it’s a proper name) temples and ward-houses are NOT public, or rented to the public, they CANNOT be used in any way that contradicts the LDS faith. So stop with this idiotic argument now!

And, Gloria, since we didn’t vote on YOUR right to marry, just how ARE we supposed to view you? As an innocent bystander, or someone who voted to make us second-class citizens?

Well, the people who were against porp 8 aren’t getting harassed as much. A lot of extremist pro-gays are used to being able to do what they want without consequences. All they need to say is, “You are just hating on me because I gay you hatemonger!” and the media is all over it. It’s kind of stupid. I don’t really see the point of the riots in California considering the vote is not over and more people wanted prop 8 than the ones that didn’t.

Just because there wasn’t a lot of racial diversity in SLC doesn’t mean there isn’t racial diversity elsewhere. That’s like going down to the Texas/Mexico border and saying, “Oh my gosh, there are barely any white/black/asian people here. I feel so creeped out.”

Just because the mormons are against gay marriage, doesn’t mean they are ‘haters’. If you are entitled to be pro-gay marriage, then they should be entitled to be anti-gay marriage. Looking at it from the Mormons side, you are the biggots and the haters.

I somewhat agree that extremists on either side are ‘haters’ and kinda crazy. Churches like the mormons actually have good reasons for not wanting to legalize gay marriage. Legal implications for one, if a gay couple wants to be married in their temples. They say no, and get sued. Of course they will fight to keep it illegal. Duh.

If you felt “creeped” out in Salt Lake City, I wouldn’t suggest going to Northern Idaho any time soon for a vacation.

Just as a personal side-note: I have a black person as my closest confidant at my work. I couldn’t survive without her. She brings me back to normalcy sometimes when I have to deal with the tide of ultra conservatives I have as co-workers.

It wasn’t until Salt Lake City was the host for some big Baptist convention that we had some “color”.

If you note the members of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and count the number of blacks in the 300-member choir you might get an idea of the proportion of diversity in Utah. Not that it is a scientifically valid indication of our diversity but it might be close. We might have to wait for the census in 2010 to see exactly what our population consists of.

I haven’t heard of any tours of Northern Idaho but I understand there isn’t much demand for bus-loads of African-Americans going to Vermont either.

No?

In a city that size, and being from Los Angeles and used to all flavors and spices of person…
that experience in SLC creeped the hell out of me.

I have no idea what it’s like now, and even CA isn’t as gay friendly as I’d hoped considering the outcome of Prop. 8.

Some places, even in America segregate by attrition.
Make area of it too dangerous or unfriendly to be in….the object of segregation wouldn’t want to stay.

The complaint of Christians or Mormons is that the outcome of Prop. 8 has led to unintended outcomes they claim are harassment or threatening.

Considering the tone of their Yes on 8 ads…when HASN’T the opposition felt threatened by gay people?