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	<title>Comments on: Steele: Republican Party Needs to Reach Out to Gay Supporters</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Michael Steele is not a supporter equality for gay citizens. But he is a supporter of those who are.&quot;


He is a supporter of those who support equality for gay citizens? You mean the gays who support equality for gays? He supports gays by not supporting their equality?

He is a supporter of those who support equality for gay citizens? Or do you mean straights who support gays? He supports straights who support gays? Exactly what rights do those straights not have?

The republican party has led the charge to deny gays equal rights. They have been unapologetic and relentless. Enough said until they issue a flat out apology and repent of their sins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Michael Steele is not a supporter equality for gay citizens. But he is a supporter of those who are.&#8221;</p>
<p>He is a supporter of those who support equality for gay citizens? You mean the gays who support equality for gays? He supports gays by not supporting their equality?</p>
<p>He is a supporter of those who support equality for gay citizens? Or do you mean straights who support gays? He supports straights who support gays? Exactly what rights do those straights not have?</p>
<p>The republican party has led the charge to deny gays equal rights. They have been unapologetic and relentless. Enough said until they issue a flat out apology and repent of their sins.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m inclined to agree with Lucrece.  This inclusion seems nothing more like trying to attract pro-gay and pro-choice voters on economic issues.  If that inclusiveness is used merely to gain power and then continue to enforce an anti-gay, anti-choice agenda, I find it hard to see it as nothing more than an illusion and, ultimately, betrayal.

If the Republican party doesn&#039;t want to lose people due to gay rights and abortion issues, then let them table those issues altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined to agree with Lucrece.  This inclusion seems nothing more like trying to attract pro-gay and pro-choice voters on economic issues.  If that inclusiveness is used merely to gain power and then continue to enforce an anti-gay, anti-choice agenda, I find it hard to see it as nothing more than an illusion and, ultimately, betrayal.</p>
<p>If the Republican party doesn&#8217;t want to lose people due to gay rights and abortion issues, then let them table those issues altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outside of crises (such as the current economic one) political parties do not to leap from one mutually exclusive belief to another. Generally speaking, positions shift gradually something like this.

They start at &#039;this is an article of faith issue, anyone who doesn&#039;t believe this isn&#039;t one of us&#039;, then move to &#039;we believe this, there is a small minority amongst us who disagree, but we can work with them on other issues&#039;. Then to &#039;In general we believe this, there is however a significant even large minority who disagree, it certainly isn&#039;t an article of faith issue&#039;. Then to &#039;there is a real on-going debate about this within our party, just as there is within wider society. Next, &#039;we no longer believe this as a party in general although we have many older respected members who still do&#039; and finally to &#039;we no longer believe this&#039;.

Small though this first step is, it is a necessary first step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outside of crises (such as the current economic one) political parties do not to leap from one mutually exclusive belief to another. Generally speaking, positions shift gradually something like this.</p>
<p>They start at &#8216;this is an article of faith issue, anyone who doesn&#8217;t believe this isn&#8217;t one of us&#8217;, then move to &#8216;we believe this, there is a small minority amongst us who disagree, but we can work with them on other issues&#8217;. Then to &#8216;In general we believe this, there is however a significant even large minority who disagree, it certainly isn&#8217;t an article of faith issue&#8217;. Then to &#8216;there is a real on-going debate about this within our party, just as there is within wider society. Next, &#8216;we no longer believe this as a party in general although we have many older respected members who still do&#8217; and finally to &#8216;we no longer believe this&#8217;.</p>
<p>Small though this first step is, it is a necessary first step.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, I think you are desperately looking for a sliver of a silver lining in the Republican Party.

You are reading way too much into this and giving them too much credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, I think you are desperately looking for a sliver of a silver lining in the Republican Party.</p>
<p>You are reading way too much into this and giving them too much credit.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is Republican opposition to gay rights not an economic issue?

I always thought that health-care benefits, tax breaks, inheritance rights, pension survivor rights, medicare and social security survivor rights, the right to sue for wrongful death when the bread winner of a family is killed by someone, the right not to fired from your job just because of your sexual orientation, the right to apply for a loan and the right to buy or rent a home (just to list a few) were economic issues.  

I guess this new Republican Party leader is telling me that I just don&#039;t understand economics.  I am not so sure that he understands what the average voter thinks about when they think of economics.  

Not a great start in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is Republican opposition to gay rights not an economic issue?</p>
<p>I always thought that health-care benefits, tax breaks, inheritance rights, pension survivor rights, medicare and social security survivor rights, the right to sue for wrongful death when the bread winner of a family is killed by someone, the right not to fired from your job just because of your sexual orientation, the right to apply for a loan and the right to buy or rent a home (just to list a few) were economic issues.  </p>
<p>I guess this new Republican Party leader is telling me that I just don&#8217;t understand economics.  I am not so sure that he understands what the average voter thinks about when they think of economics.  </p>
<p>Not a great start in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: elaygee</title>
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		<dc:creator>elaygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll see monkeys fly out of my ass before anyone I know supports the Creepublican party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll see monkeys fly out of my ass before anyone I know supports the Creepublican party.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucrece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucrece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, no. What this says is &quot;You can disagree with my lobbying for anti-gay marriage amendments, but the party could still suit you on the economical views&quot;.

He pretends to tell people that they will not deny the Republican party their vote based on that single disagreement, as if it&#039;s just a disagreement. It&#039;s not. It&#039;s one whopping disconnect. Social issues do not share equal space with financial issues. If someone runs a party that consistently advocates anti-marriage amendments and anti-abortion legislation, I&#039;m not going to vote for them regardless of how much we agree with the economic perspective.

This was clearly a message to those LCR&#039;s that are willing to sacrifice gay rights progress for other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, no. What this says is &#8220;You can disagree with my lobbying for anti-gay marriage amendments, but the party could still suit you on the economical views&#8221;.</p>
<p>He pretends to tell people that they will not deny the Republican party their vote based on that single disagreement, as if it&#8217;s just a disagreement. It&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s one whopping disconnect. Social issues do not share equal space with financial issues. If someone runs a party that consistently advocates anti-marriage amendments and anti-abortion legislation, I&#8217;m not going to vote for them regardless of how much we agree with the economic perspective.</p>
<p>This was clearly a message to those LCR&#8217;s that are willing to sacrifice gay rights progress for other issues.</p>
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