Comments on: Utah Anti-Gay Protesters Hate the Sinner

By: cowboy

cowboy — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:40:01 +0000

This is just great. Here is the full-page advertisement in the Salt Lake newspapers today (Sunday Feb. 15th)…(with typos too!)

http://qsaltlake.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1083:anti-gay-group-places-full-page-ad-in-sl-tribune&catid=26:local

Note the ad uses a picture of a mixed-race, same-sex couple kissing. Which seems to go against their wish to keep gays from displaying affection in public. This full-page advertisement does ironically that! I’m not sure if they used a mixed-race couple to raise the “ick” factor because of the populace here.

Inside the text we are being compared to hookers?! (That’s a new one for me.)

They try to use some quote (obviously out of context) from some printed gay “agenda” from 1987.

I predict The Mormon Church will immediately distance itself from this advertisement. I might even expect the local Eagle Forum and/or Sutherland Institute will haggle over some of the points presented.

The effectiveness of said advertisement might work to their detriment.

For a good laugh, I would suggest following the links to the high resolution copy of the ad. Just don’t be drinking something when you do. You might gag or cough it up through your nose.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:54:15 +0000

I checked out that “americaforever” website referenced in an above comment. Okay, indeed, the ideology behind their work is loonier than Fred Phelps’.

By: Pender

Pender — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:12:01 +0000

Bandit: I understand the origin and angle of the formulation. I just don’t like it. It concedes that we’re sinners, even if it’s in attempted irony. It hurts to read, and that’s even without the possibility of an anti-gay nutjob out there using it to fire off an “EVEN THE HOMOSEXUALISTS ADMIT THEY ARE SINNERS” out-of-context kind of response.

By: cowboy

cowboy — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:40:18 +0000

Bandit,
Yeah…we think the formula is: If Group A hates Group B. And Group C hates Group B. Then: Group A and Group C would be equal haters.

It doesn’t work that way…does it? Group A and Group C hate each other too.

I think TWO (Truth Wins Out) pointed that out with their newspaper advertisements in Salt Lake City a couple months ago. Why would Mormons align with those wackos with the “dense” signs. They’re obviously anti-gay and anti-Mormon.

Don’t expect these two different Groups to hold a protest-planning-meeting together either. They’ll probably serve coffee/tea which would only offend the Mormons.

By: MaskedBandit

MaskedBandit — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:08:14 +0000

Pender, it comes from a common phrase that Christians Fundies tend to use when loving their gay neighbors with the law-equivalent of a two-by-four:

“I hate the sin, not the sinner.”

As in, they don’t hate you for being you, they hate the things that you do. You know, like choosing to be innately attracted to people of your same gender.

Timothy is showing that this is a blatant lie.

Cowboy, we do have some loony fringe groups here in Salt Lake. When we had the November 15th rally and march, there were two separate groups counter-protesting. The mormons who showed up brought a few signs like “They Voted/You Lost/Get Over It” but we not terribly loud or annoying. The other group shouted Hellfire and Damnation, holding multiple 3′ by 5′ signs explaining how we were to all suffer in Hell, in extremely dense text.

At the time, one of the other marchers pointed out that the H&D group protested that all the Mormons were also going to Hell every Sunday at the Temple Square.

The Mormons counter-protesters were smugly annoying. The other group brought the crazy. I wouldn’t be surprised if the people wearing those shirts were with the latter group of people.

By: lurker

lurker — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:19:28 +0000

I’m genuinely confused about this “anti-species” claim . . . what does this mean?

Are they talking about Homo sapiens? why don’t they say “anti-human” then? that’s a much clearer rallying cry.
The word “species” of course is plural, so do they mean all living things on the planet? or some subset? animals? do they imply that queer people act against all biota? how? I don’t get it.

By: Truth Wins Out - Antigay Utahns Love the Sin, Hate the Sinner

Truth Wins Out - Antigay Utahns Love the Sin, Hate the Sinner — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:00:41 +0000

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By: Jason in Canada

Jason in Canada — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:25:19 +0000

Wow….”anti-species”…I’ve got to blog about that label…

One more thing to put on my resume. lol

Don’t these people see how rediculous that is…”anti-species”…jeesh!

By: Pender

Pender — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:41:26 +0000

I really don’t like this “___ hates the sinner” formulation you are using on these posts. Maybe it’s meant to be ironic, and I understand the phrase off of which it is based, but I really don’t like being called a sinner for being who I am. Sorry if this is hypersensitive.

By: Matt Algren

Matt Algren — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:14:07 +0000

According to the caption on one of the article’s photos, the “Anti-Species” group calls itself “America Forever”. They have a website at americaforever.com. Watch the first video if you dare!

It doesn’t get any easier to understand as you head into the text pieces. There’s one that tries to explain this Anti-Species Syndrome of theirs, but I got lost two pages in.

Their theme song is pretty darn awesome. They had a little girl say “For the children!” THREE TIMES!!!