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		<title>By: FRC uncovers lesbian plot for world domination&#8230; &#171; The Confluence</title>
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		<dc:creator>FRC uncovers lesbian plot for world domination&#8230; &#171; The Confluence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Says Perkins: &#8220;Last week, taxpayers learned that they would be partially liable for the family’s care through hundreds of dollars in food stamps and disability payments. The news fueled even more conviction that the fertility doctor should have refused the procedure. But is he really to blame–or are our courts? In California, the state Supreme Court made it virtually impossible for a physician to exercise his own judgment after two lesbians sued in 2001 for the right to be artificially inseminated over the doctors’ personal or social objections.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Says Perkins: &#8220;Last week, taxpayers learned that they would be partially liable for the family’s care through hundreds of dollars in food stamps and disability payments. The news fueled even more conviction that the fertility doctor should have refused the procedure. But is he really to blame–or are our courts? In California, the state Supreme Court made it virtually impossible for a physician to exercise his own judgment after two lesbians sued in 2001 for the right to be artificially inseminated over the doctors’ personal or social objections.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FRC uncovers lesbian plot for world domination&#8230; &#171; Electric Blues</title>
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		<dc:creator>FRC uncovers lesbian plot for world domination&#8230; &#171; Electric Blues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Says Perkins: &#8220;Last week, taxpayers learned that they would be partially liable for the family’s care through hundreds of dollars in food stamps and disability payments. The news fueled even more conviction that the fertility doctor should have refused the procedure. But is he really to blame–or are our courts? In California, the state Supreme Court made it virtually impossible for a physician to exercise his own judgment after two lesbians sued in 2001 for the right to be artificially inseminated over the doctors’ personal or social objections.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Says Perkins: &#8220;Last week, taxpayers learned that they would be partially liable for the family’s care through hundreds of dollars in food stamps and disability payments. The news fueled even more conviction that the fertility doctor should have refused the procedure. But is he really to blame–or are our courts? In California, the state Supreme Court made it virtually impossible for a physician to exercise his own judgment after two lesbians sued in 2001 for the right to be artificially inseminated over the doctors’ personal or social objections.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: werdna</title>
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		<dc:creator>werdna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Coats&#039;s first name is Ta-Nehisi, not Na-Tehisi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Coats&#8217;s first name is Ta-Nehisi, not Na-Tehisi.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Donohoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Donohoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just noticed the octs and mom have a new PR flack; The Ambassador Agency out of TN who count among their clients - Rev. Rick Warren.  They claim to be the oldest Christian based talent/literary agency in the country.  

Should be interesting to see &#039;em spin this train wreck into the Christian family values meme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just noticed the octs and mom have a new PR flack; The Ambassador Agency out of TN who count among their clients &#8211; Rev. Rick Warren.  They claim to be the oldest Christian based talent/literary agency in the country.  </p>
<p>Should be interesting to see &#8216;em spin this train wreck into the Christian family values meme.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I thought the doctor&#039;s objecting to the lesbian couple&#039;s insemination was also UNMARRIED status.

  But it&#039;s STILL the stupidest and most ridiculous statement yet that someone could blame GAY people for this Suleman woman&#039;s situation.

    IVF is the result of mostly heterosexuals not accepting their fertility situation.
Perhaps even an unhealthy obsession with their own DNA.
A confluence of difficulty to adopt, it&#039;s expense and so on is likely another factor.

  But here we have FREAKISH extremes in the cases of multiple births or elderly women.
C&#039;MON PEOPLE!
  When will the medical establishment vet their own when it comes to fertility doctors complying with their patients wishes, however extreme?!

    I&#039;m steaming at this because when I sought a TUBAL LIGATION, prior to ever having children or being married, I was vetted through a months long process and the doctor refused after all that.
  HIS personal beliefs ran up against MY decision to NEVER PARENT.

  And what&#039;s the oft repeated excuse to deny marriage equality to gay couples?
&#039;gay people don&#039;t procreate&#039;.

  It&#039;s my firm observation that pressure to have babies, the invalidation of those who don&#039;t, likely drove this Suleman woman to such an extreme.
She&#039;s already said she was depressed over not having a baby.
And why she still was AFTER she had six children all under the age of 7, just shows what a mental case she was.
 And a crafty one at that. She&#039;s been gaming EVERYONE from the beginning.
  
   And a doctor STUFFING her womb like that is SO irresponsible!

    Women DO get post partum depression, and sometimes psychosis. So her mental condition AFTER these initially healthy births is still a major concern.

  My God...
  I have lesbian friends who adopted AND had artificial insemination from willing donors.
 These aren&#039;t infertility issues, and a SINGLE embryo implant is enough.
 
  And having a biological child means less likelihood of the state or hostile second parent families arbitrarily taking your child from you. Gay people have better interests for having a child that way.

  But infertile women run the risk of multiple births and are pressured to make the tough decision about discarding or aborting some embryos.

   What a monster this has become. I&#039;m not saying that IVF isn&#039;t a wonderful option.
But if I had to go through a mental health check to NOT be a parent, Suleman&#039;s doctor should have dealt with HER mental state, the material and physical situation this woman had in bringing these children into the world.
 And clearly, HE didn&#039;t do that on an obviously sociopathically disturbed woman.

  And now there is word he implanted quads in a 49 year old who requires MONTHS of bed rest in a county hospital and she has no money for the bill.

    Procreation certainly isn&#039;t a PROBLEM in our society and those of us who DON&#039;T naturally procreate shouldn&#039;t bear a stigma for it.
 It&#039;s not the procreation stupid, it&#039;s the resources to sustain too MUCH of it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I thought the doctor&#8217;s objecting to the lesbian couple&#8217;s insemination was also UNMARRIED status.</p>
<p>  But it&#8217;s STILL the stupidest and most ridiculous statement yet that someone could blame GAY people for this Suleman woman&#8217;s situation.</p>
<p>    IVF is the result of mostly heterosexuals not accepting their fertility situation.<br />
Perhaps even an unhealthy obsession with their own DNA.<br />
A confluence of difficulty to adopt, it&#8217;s expense and so on is likely another factor.</p>
<p>  But here we have FREAKISH extremes in the cases of multiple births or elderly women.<br />
C&#8217;MON PEOPLE!<br />
  When will the medical establishment vet their own when it comes to fertility doctors complying with their patients wishes, however extreme?!</p>
<p>    I&#8217;m steaming at this because when I sought a TUBAL LIGATION, prior to ever having children or being married, I was vetted through a months long process and the doctor refused after all that.<br />
  HIS personal beliefs ran up against MY decision to NEVER PARENT.</p>
<p>  And what&#8217;s the oft repeated excuse to deny marriage equality to gay couples?<br />
&#8216;gay people don&#8217;t procreate&#8217;.</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s my firm observation that pressure to have babies, the invalidation of those who don&#8217;t, likely drove this Suleman woman to such an extreme.<br />
She&#8217;s already said she was depressed over not having a baby.<br />
And why she still was AFTER she had six children all under the age of 7, just shows what a mental case she was.<br />
 And a crafty one at that. She&#8217;s been gaming EVERYONE from the beginning.</p>
<p>   And a doctor STUFFING her womb like that is SO irresponsible!</p>
<p>    Women DO get post partum depression, and sometimes psychosis. So her mental condition AFTER these initially healthy births is still a major concern.</p>
<p>  My God&#8230;<br />
  I have lesbian friends who adopted AND had artificial insemination from willing donors.<br />
 These aren&#8217;t infertility issues, and a SINGLE embryo implant is enough.</p>
<p>  And having a biological child means less likelihood of the state or hostile second parent families arbitrarily taking your child from you. Gay people have better interests for having a child that way.</p>
<p>  But infertile women run the risk of multiple births and are pressured to make the tough decision about discarding or aborting some embryos.</p>
<p>   What a monster this has become. I&#8217;m not saying that IVF isn&#8217;t a wonderful option.<br />
But if I had to go through a mental health check to NOT be a parent, Suleman&#8217;s doctor should have dealt with HER mental state, the material and physical situation this woman had in bringing these children into the world.<br />
 And clearly, HE didn&#8217;t do that on an obviously sociopathically disturbed woman.</p>
<p>  And now there is word he implanted quads in a 49 year old who requires MONTHS of bed rest in a county hospital and she has no money for the bill.</p>
<p>    Procreation certainly isn&#8217;t a PROBLEM in our society and those of us who DON&#8217;T naturally procreate shouldn&#8217;t bear a stigma for it.<br />
 It&#8217;s not the procreation stupid, it&#8217;s the resources to sustain too MUCH of it!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....and for Perkins, there is no difference between a lesbian couple wanting to have a child of their own -- and -- a single mother of six wanting to bring eight more babies into the world............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.and for Perkins, there is no difference between a lesbian couple wanting to have a child of their own &#8212; and &#8212; a single mother of six wanting to bring eight more babies into the world&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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