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	<title>Comments on: Utah&#8217;s America Forever Ad Update</title>
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		<title>By: Stacey Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/02/17/8894/comment-page-1#comment-51782</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They fax bombed in Maine this week. We got one at work and it is a disgusting rant against our senators. They proudly advertised for readers to view the &quot;kill Obama&quot; song on youtube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They fax bombed in Maine this week. We got one at work and it is a disgusting rant against our senators. They proudly advertised for readers to view the &#8220;kill Obama&#8221; song on youtube.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/02/17/8894/comment-page-1#comment-34573</link>
		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update:  The Salt Lake Tribune got 247 letters complaining about this advertisement.  

Basically, the Ombudsman for the newspaper said in spite of their rules about advertising they let the ad run (with grammar errors).  She went on to explain some of the information in the ad was grossly misleading and quotes were taken out of context and they should have rejected the advertisement. 

I, personally, think the advertisement was a gift to us.  It demonstrates just how low and just how desperate our foes are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update:  The Salt Lake Tribune got 247 letters complaining about this advertisement.  </p>
<p>Basically, the Ombudsman for the newspaper said in spite of their rules about advertising they let the ad run (with grammar errors).  She went on to explain some of the information in the ad was grossly misleading and quotes were taken out of context and they should have rejected the advertisement. </p>
<p>I, personally, think the advertisement was a gift to us.  It demonstrates just how low and just how desperate our foes are.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/02/17/8894/comment-page-1#comment-33865</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attmay, thank you for your sentiments, gloating over a mere 600,000 votes out of 17,000,000 registered voters. If California&#039;s economy goes down it&#039;ll take the rest of the nation with it. If karma were at work it would just be the Pro-H8 camp that would be suffering.

Thanks for condemning those of us who had our marriages attacked. Great to know you wrap us up with the nutjobs who sponsored this ad. 

Sorry this comment is off topic, but so was Attmay&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attmay, thank you for your sentiments, gloating over a mere 600,000 votes out of 17,000,000 registered voters. If California&#8217;s economy goes down it&#8217;ll take the rest of the nation with it. If karma were at work it would just be the Pro-H8 camp that would be suffering.</p>
<p>Thanks for condemning those of us who had our marriages attacked. Great to know you wrap us up with the nutjobs who sponsored this ad. </p>
<p>Sorry this comment is off topic, but so was Attmay&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/02/17/8894/comment-page-1#comment-33863</link>
		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people of California are getting their karmic reward for that travesty of justice with their state going broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people of California are getting their karmic reward for that travesty of justice with their state going broke.</p>
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		<title>By: a.mcewen</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/02/17/8894/comment-page-1#comment-33860</link>
		<dc:creator>a.mcewen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang in there cowboy. Things are ugly down here in Columbia, SC too - for the moment that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang in there cowboy. Things are ugly down here in Columbia, SC too &#8211; for the moment that is.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right &lt;b&gt;a. mcewen.&lt;/b&gt;   I was a little despondent last night with the news.  I&#039;ll work at being a little better at making life more bearable here in Utah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right <b>a. mcewen.</b>   I was a little despondent last night with the news.  I&#8217;ll work at being a little better at making life more bearable here in Utah.</p>
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		<title>By: Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually would like to see more ads like this.  I think most reasonable people would see the asburidty and hysteria of this type of thing and would be less likely to vote with them.  Especially, if the gay side can get very reasoned ads out too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually would like to see more ads like this.  I think most reasonable people would see the asburidty and hysteria of this type of thing and would be less likely to vote with them.  Especially, if the gay side can get very reasoned ads out too.</p>
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		<title>By: a. mcewen</title>
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		<dc:creator>a. mcewen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know cowboy. I come from a state where some folks have the same mindset (South Carolina). And I have to tell ya that just like in SC, there may be some lgbts in Utah who are fighting the good fight despite the odds. They probably do it for the sake of pride - Utah being their home and all. At the very least, let&#039;s not look as if we are deserting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know cowboy. I come from a state where some folks have the same mindset (South Carolina). And I have to tell ya that just like in SC, there may be some lgbts in Utah who are fighting the good fight despite the odds. They probably do it for the sake of pride &#8211; Utah being their home and all. At the very least, let&#8217;s not look as if we are deserting them.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news just in:  Two Utah initiatives for Common Ground rights for gays were voted down in committee today.  

I don&#039;t think the advertisement nor the protest of Governor Huntsman nor the demonstrations had any effect on the vote in the committee.  My gut feeling is that the vote was cut &amp; dried before the Legislature even set foot in the Capitol this session.   

Eagle Forum/Sutherland Institute rehashed the same, trite, intentionally ignorant talking points:  It&#039;s a choice to act gay.   It&#039;s best for one man &amp; one woman to have preferential treatment by the laws of the State.  

The reaction of the gay and gay-friendly supporters:  &quot;We made headway.  We&#039;ll try again next year.&quot;  

I fear it will take more than a year to see more forward progress for equality.  We have people in high powerful places that ignore and even castigate their Governor for suggesting gay civil rights.   There is a mean-streak somewhere in the bowels of the Capitol.  I dare say these powerful people even have the arrogance to question the implied neutrality of gay civil rights by their popular Prophet and Church hierarchy.   And I doubt we will ever change some people&#039;s minds and hearts.

Utah is a lost cause.  The battlefield needs to take place somewhere else.    Our resources should be directed towards Gay Rights in other States.  More likely it will take an act by the United State Supreme Court that will reverberate throughout the land. 

What needs to happen now:  Businesses should refuse to open offices or branch offices in Utah.  A Human Resources Manager knows a good portion of any workforce will not move to Utah.  There is a genuine fear.  A fear of not having an environment for basic human rights.   Even academics will hurt when top-notch professors and instructors leave the State universities for friendlier (and warmer) climates.   What business would try to bring a company to Utah if the education and quality of life is so backwards and even hostile to a segment of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news just in:  Two Utah initiatives for Common Ground rights for gays were voted down in committee today.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the advertisement nor the protest of Governor Huntsman nor the demonstrations had any effect on the vote in the committee.  My gut feeling is that the vote was cut &amp; dried before the Legislature even set foot in the Capitol this session.   </p>
<p>Eagle Forum/Sutherland Institute rehashed the same, trite, intentionally ignorant talking points:  It&#8217;s a choice to act gay.   It&#8217;s best for one man &amp; one woman to have preferential treatment by the laws of the State.  </p>
<p>The reaction of the gay and gay-friendly supporters:  &#8220;We made headway.  We&#8217;ll try again next year.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I fear it will take more than a year to see more forward progress for equality.  We have people in high powerful places that ignore and even castigate their Governor for suggesting gay civil rights.   There is a mean-streak somewhere in the bowels of the Capitol.  I dare say these powerful people even have the arrogance to question the implied neutrality of gay civil rights by their popular Prophet and Church hierarchy.   And I doubt we will ever change some people&#8217;s minds and hearts.</p>
<p>Utah is a lost cause.  The battlefield needs to take place somewhere else.    Our resources should be directed towards Gay Rights in other States.  More likely it will take an act by the United State Supreme Court that will reverberate throughout the land. </p>
<p>What needs to happen now:  Businesses should refuse to open offices or branch offices in Utah.  A Human Resources Manager knows a good portion of any workforce will not move to Utah.  There is a genuine fear.  A fear of not having an environment for basic human rights.   Even academics will hurt when top-notch professors and instructors leave the State universities for friendlier (and warmer) climates.   What business would try to bring a company to Utah if the education and quality of life is so backwards and even hostile to a segment of society.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it just me or is the opposition getting more and more hysterical.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let&#039;s hope that it isn&#039;t just you and that they are getting more hysterical, and that hysteria finally calls attention to just how crazy these organizations and their messages are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is it just me or is the opposition getting more and more hysterical.</p></blockquote>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that it isn&#8217;t just you and that they are getting more hysterical, and that hysteria finally calls attention to just how crazy these organizations and their messages are.</p>
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