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	<title>Comments on: NAACP Calls For Prop 8 to Be Overturned</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

Thank you for making the distinction between religious adherents and religious fanatics.  That is often missed by non-religious persons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Thank you for making the distinction between religious adherents and religious fanatics.  That is often missed by non-religious persons.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy (TRiG)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy (TRiG)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people imagine they get their moral guidance from religion. Few, if any, actually do.

I like the phrasing of that quote from the NAACP. It&#039;s clear and coherent. It makes sense.

And it&#039;s founded in the real world.

TRiG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people imagine they get their moral guidance from religion. Few, if any, actually do.</p>
<p>I like the phrasing of that quote from the NAACP. It&#8217;s clear and coherent. It makes sense.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s founded in the real world.</p>
<p>TRiG.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

I would explain that the ECLA and PCUSA as they exist today, in general, are not comprised of religious fanatics. They have mostly found a way to remain involved with their religious traditions while incorporating the enormous advances in knowledge of the real world. And they certainly don&#039;t allow the nastiest passages of the Bible to be the driving force in their lives.

But it seems that most of the so-called mainstream denominations have factions within them that exhibit much of the traits of those we may refer to as the Religious Right (or religious fanatics).

PCUSA has a faction called the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.layman.org/Home.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Presbyterian Lay Committee &lt;/a&gt;whose views on gays appear to align with our more rabid opponents. And I have relatives who have left the PCUSA because they are too liberal. So, where do PCUSA people go when they leave? One place might be the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) which is fairly far to the right of PCUSA. 

And then there are the well publicized splits within the Episcopal Church since Gene Robinson became a bishop.

I really do understand that all people who self-identify as Christians are not the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>I would explain that the ECLA and PCUSA as they exist today, in general, are not comprised of religious fanatics. They have mostly found a way to remain involved with their religious traditions while incorporating the enormous advances in knowledge of the real world. And they certainly don&#8217;t allow the nastiest passages of the Bible to be the driving force in their lives.</p>
<p>But it seems that most of the so-called mainstream denominations have factions within them that exhibit much of the traits of those we may refer to as the Religious Right (or religious fanatics).</p>
<p>PCUSA has a faction called the <a href="http://www.layman.org/Home.aspx" rel="nofollow">Presbyterian Lay Committee </a>whose views on gays appear to align with our more rabid opponents. And I have relatives who have left the PCUSA because they are too liberal. So, where do PCUSA people go when they leave? One place might be the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) which is fairly far to the right of PCUSA. </p>
<p>And then there are the well publicized splits within the Episcopal Church since Gene Robinson became a bishop.</p>
<p>I really do understand that all people who self-identify as Christians are not the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/02/25/9145/comment-page-1#comment-34693</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

How then does one explain the events occurring this month in the Lutheran (ECLA) and Presbyterian (PCUSA) chuches?  It seems that they have found a way to overlook the burn factor and discovered that acceptance is in sync with their diety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>How then does one explain the events occurring this month in the Lutheran (ECLA) and Presbyterian (PCUSA) chuches?  It seems that they have found a way to overlook the burn factor and discovered that acceptance is in sync with their diety.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe black voters will shift to the side of equality long before religious fanatics. For blacks, I think the situation has been primarily a long-standing ingrained cultural prejudice, which infected almost all people at one time. But that would seem much more subject to change through rational debate than a cultural prejudice that is buttressed by religion&#039;s absolute magic truth which many people feel compelled to believe lest they literally burn for all eternity. And, regardless of the burn-factor, there is nothing quite like having your beliefs in sync with a deity to give them traction.

While Richard Cizak was forced to resign from the National Association of Evangelicals after a publicised shift in his position on gays, I doubt that any NAACP leaders will be forced to resign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe black voters will shift to the side of equality long before religious fanatics. For blacks, I think the situation has been primarily a long-standing ingrained cultural prejudice, which infected almost all people at one time. But that would seem much more subject to change through rational debate than a cultural prejudice that is buttressed by religion&#8217;s absolute magic truth which many people feel compelled to believe lest they literally burn for all eternity. And, regardless of the burn-factor, there is nothing quite like having your beliefs in sync with a deity to give them traction.</p>
<p>While Richard Cizak was forced to resign from the National Association of Evangelicals after a publicised shift in his position on gays, I doubt that any NAACP leaders will be forced to resign.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very appreciative of the support of the NAACP.  And they are exactly right in recognizing that if a fundamental right of a suspect class can be eliminated by a simple majority vote, then the Constitution has no protections for any minority including those protections that shield racial minorities from discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very appreciative of the support of the NAACP.  And they are exactly right in recognizing that if a fundamental right of a suspect class can be eliminated by a simple majority vote, then the Constitution has no protections for any minority including those protections that shield racial minorities from discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: gar</title>
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		<dc:creator>gar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcomed, but not surprising, especially considering that the leader, Julian Bond, is a civil rights giant.  Let us hope that any future campaigns on behalf of equality will include this venerable institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcomed, but not surprising, especially considering that the leader, Julian Bond, is a civil rights giant.  Let us hope that any future campaigns on behalf of equality will include this venerable institution.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I salute them! It was really hard watching the Black Religious leaders endorse bigotry. and my heart is warmed to get this evidence that there are those in leadership positions within the AA community who reject discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I salute them! It was really hard watching the Black Religious leaders endorse bigotry. and my heart is warmed to get this evidence that there are those in leadership positions within the AA community who reject discrimination.</p>
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