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	<title>Comments on: Utahns Really Love Their Online Porn</title>
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		<title>By: Mormon Addiction to Porn - Reflections Uncategorized - - Mormon Monsters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mormon Addiction to Porn - Reflections Uncategorized - - Mormon Monsters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] behavior,” bought 3.56 more subscriptions per thousand people.  Of all the variables tested by Benjamin Edelman in his study, religiosity had the highest correlation factor &#8212; the more religious a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Do People Who Hate Gays Love Porn? &#171; The Czech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do People Who Hate Gays Love Porn? &#171; The Czech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] porn, religiosity, utah   Got this from Box Turtle Bulletin. Go ahead and read the rest of their post on internet porn usage by state and religiosity. They have lots of charts and pretty maps.   …In the 27 states [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] porn, religiosity, utah   Got this from Box Turtle Bulletin. Go ahead and read the rest of their post on internet porn usage by state and religiosity. They have lots of charts and pretty maps.   …In the 27 states [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This posting on Oxford Centre for Religion and Public Life&#039;s &quot;Get Religion&quot; blog, which analyzes religion in the media, points out a number of fallacies in this study that pretty much make it meaningless without more data: &quot;Less Porn, More Math,&quot; at http://www.getreligion.org/?p=8408. I&#039;m surprised you posted it here given how carefully you&#039;ve examined and dismantled other studies in a similar fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This posting on Oxford Centre for Religion and Public Life&#8217;s &#8220;Get Religion&#8221; blog, which analyzes religion in the media, points out a number of fallacies in this study that pretty much make it meaningless without more data: &#8220;Less Porn, More Math,&#8221; at <a href="http://www.getreligion.org/?p=8408" rel="nofollow">http://www.getreligion.org/?p=8408</a>. I&#8217;m surprised you posted it here given how carefully you&#8217;ve examined and dismantled other studies in a similar fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Agkcrbs</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/02/28/9226/comment-page-1#comment-35240</link>
		<dc:creator>Agkcrbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard as it may be to pinpoint who exactly is surfing porn, one critical consideration that was completely omitted from this article is that Utah has the youngest average population in the country, followed by Alaska.  In fact, the top and bottom states on this article&#039;s lists correspond roughly with young and old average state populations respectively, with a few glaring exceptions...  Namely, Florida has slightly higher porn-surfing but a relatively older population, while Idaho also has a younger population (and over 20% LDS, the second highest state after Utah) but much less online porn consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard as it may be to pinpoint who exactly is surfing porn, one critical consideration that was completely omitted from this article is that Utah has the youngest average population in the country, followed by Alaska.  In fact, the top and bottom states on this article&#8217;s lists correspond roughly with young and old average state populations respectively, with a few glaring exceptions&#8230;  Namely, Florida has slightly higher porn-surfing but a relatively older population, while Idaho also has a younger population (and over 20% LDS, the second highest state after Utah) but much less online porn consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will second that. Utah is certainly the most beautiful state in the union. My favorite: Bryce Canyon. Also, Coral Pink Sand Dunes State Park is pretty amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will second that. Utah is certainly the most beautiful state in the union. My favorite: Bryce Canyon. Also, Coral Pink Sand Dunes State Park is pretty amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction:  not that cowboys are standing shitless in a chic boutique in Salt Lake City...butUgitmadrift.  sorry.

I do have a deep desire to escort each one of you to the favorite places I call home (Utah).  From driving the Aspen Grove Loop to hiking the Narrows in Zions National Park.   I would love to share with you all the places I find solace and peace.  Nature is my Cathedral/Synagog/Temple.   The only thing: I just have to get to the ocean at least once a year.  The beaches of the Great Salt Lake just doesn&#039;t do it.  How they let the lake get so diluted (you can&#039;t float like you used to) and the industry that has raped the minerals from the lake need to take their profits and restore the lake to its original grandeur.

That&#039;s just me venting a little.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction:  not that cowboys are standing shitless in a chic boutique in Salt Lake City&#8230;butUgitmadrift.  sorry.</p>
<p>I do have a deep desire to escort each one of you to the favorite places I call home (Utah).  From driving the Aspen Grove Loop to hiking the Narrows in Zions National Park.   I would love to share with you all the places I find solace and peace.  Nature is my Cathedral/Synagog/Temple.   The only thing: I just have to get to the ocean at least once a year.  The beaches of the Great Salt Lake just doesn&#8217;t do it.  How they let the lake get so diluted (you can&#8217;t float like you used to) and the industry that has raped the minerals from the lake need to take their profits and restore the lake to its original grandeur.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just me venting a little.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Agkcrbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agkcrbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s that?  Out of 1000 Internet users in Utah, maybe 400 of whom are not LDS, 8 of them subscribe to porn?  Goodness, religion is making them all obsessed with porn.  Let&#039;s ridicule religion.

...Oh, wait.

Rather than jumping with this article to the laughable conclusion that freedom from strict moral guidelines somehow makes blue-voting atheists the moral paragons of America, let&#039;s try to get the hint of this research, as some commenters already have:

Higher online porn consumption may not represent greater demand, but the opposite: less diverse &quot;outlets&quot;.  It seems self-evident that online porn consumers would be more active in regions where porniness was generally harder to find.

Conservative thought is the major barricade against porn in this country.  Would erasing religion magically decrease porn, or only decrease our guilt as we glutted ourselves with it?  And if a few conservatives do have personal experience, doesn&#039;t it make their argument against porn all the stronger?  Do we call smokers hypocrites when they oppose tobacco, or do we rather think they know exactly what they&#039;re talking about?

Once again, if not for conservative policy makers, we&#039;d have porn sitting out open-air on street corners like in East Asia and places.  You could hardly avoid it if you tried.  Itty-bitty kids would be growing up with it.

...Oh, wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s that?  Out of 1000 Internet users in Utah, maybe 400 of whom are not LDS, 8 of them subscribe to porn?  Goodness, religion is making them all obsessed with porn.  Let&#8217;s ridicule religion.</p>
<p>&#8230;Oh, wait.</p>
<p>Rather than jumping with this article to the laughable conclusion that freedom from strict moral guidelines somehow makes blue-voting atheists the moral paragons of America, let&#8217;s try to get the hint of this research, as some commenters already have:</p>
<p>Higher online porn consumption may not represent greater demand, but the opposite: less diverse &#8220;outlets&#8221;.  It seems self-evident that online porn consumers would be more active in regions where porniness was generally harder to find.</p>
<p>Conservative thought is the major barricade against porn in this country.  Would erasing religion magically decrease porn, or only decrease our guilt as we glutted ourselves with it?  And if a few conservatives do have personal experience, doesn&#8217;t it make their argument against porn all the stronger?  Do we call smokers hypocrites when they oppose tobacco, or do we rather think they know exactly what they&#8217;re talking about?</p>
<p>Once again, if not for conservative policy makers, we&#8217;d have porn sitting out open-air on street corners like in East Asia and places.  You could hardly avoid it if you tried.  Itty-bitty kids would be growing up with it.</p>
<p>&#8230;Oh, wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, Cowboy, people I know who have visited Utah say it is breathtakingly beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, Cowboy, people I know who have visited Utah say it is breathtakingly beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very astute metaphor Emily K.   

A few years ago we had one guy who was so vociferous in his public anti-porn stance that he became the very beast he riled against.  The authorities found pornography on his computer.   I remember the lone liberal voice (Tom Barberi) on a local talk radio show made mention of how ironic it is sometimes to find the very person ranting about porn is himself addicted to the stuff.  


Richard Rush,
I do have Netflix.  I have added the “Caio” movie to my queue and I eagerly wait to view it when it becomes available on DVD…(since I doubt it will ever show in a theater in Salt Lake City.)  However, I wasn’t too impressed with the movie &lt;i&gt;Latter-Days&lt;/i&gt; when I did finally obtain a copy.        

Let me be clear here: there are no…none…zip….zero…porno movies obtainable in any retail stores in Utah.  I’m lucky to even find those calendars of shirtless cowboys in a trendy card boutique near here.  Plus, I haven’t seen a copy of the Returned Missionaries calendar that got that guy in trouble and his diploma from BYU suspended.  

But, I  L O V E  this place…hellhole and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very astute metaphor Emily K.   </p>
<p>A few years ago we had one guy who was so vociferous in his public anti-porn stance that he became the very beast he riled against.  The authorities found pornography on his computer.   I remember the lone liberal voice (Tom Barberi) on a local talk radio show made mention of how ironic it is sometimes to find the very person ranting about porn is himself addicted to the stuff.  </p>
<p>Richard Rush,<br />
I do have Netflix.  I have added the “Caio” movie to my queue and I eagerly wait to view it when it becomes available on DVD…(since I doubt it will ever show in a theater in Salt Lake City.)  However, I wasn’t too impressed with the movie <i>Latter-Days</i> when I did finally obtain a copy.        </p>
<p>Let me be clear here: there are no…none…zip….zero…porno movies obtainable in any retail stores in Utah.  I’m lucky to even find those calendars of shirtless cowboys in a trendy card boutique near here.  Plus, I haven’t seen a copy of the Returned Missionaries calendar that got that guy in trouble and his diploma from BYU suspended.  </p>
<p>But, I  L O V E  this place…hellhole and all.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obviously their attempts at squelching &quot;lust&quot; have utterly and completely failed. you know, the more you try to cover up the end of a faucet when it&#039;s running, the harder and faster the water shoots out - and in a much more unpredictable direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously their attempts at squelching &#8220;lust&#8221; have utterly and completely failed. you know, the more you try to cover up the end of a faucet when it&#8217;s running, the harder and faster the water shoots out &#8211; and in a much more unpredictable direction.</p>
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