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	<title>Comments on: LaBarbera Award: Four Guys In Minnesota</title>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s our prediction: Same-sex marriage will cause religious fundamentalists (who mutually think each other is a worshipper of Satan) to start talking to each other.

After they have done dealing with us the situation will return to normal: they&#039;ll return to avoidance, scorn, pogroms, slander, bombs, beheadings, etc. Of each other.

I guess it&#039;s not really a &#039;prediction&#039; if it&#039;s a dead certainty or if it&#039;s already happened, but, heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s our prediction: Same-sex marriage will cause religious fundamentalists (who mutually think each other is a worshipper of Satan) to start talking to each other.</p>
<p>After they have done dealing with us the situation will return to normal: they&#8217;ll return to avoidance, scorn, pogroms, slander, bombs, beheadings, etc. Of each other.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s not really a &#8216;prediction&#8217; if it&#8217;s a dead certainty or if it&#8217;s already happened, but, heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Brock should also get the &quot;True Cameronite&quot; award as well.  Everytime he talks about gays on his local radio program, he brings up the &quot;Gays die young BS&quot;.  The only technique that will work with these guys is defest of their proposals.  Reason, caring and compassion are things they abhor.

Scott
-Who is ashamed to share Minnesota with such complete stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Brock should also get the &#8220;True Cameronite&#8221; award as well.  Everytime he talks about gays on his local radio program, he brings up the &#8220;Gays die young BS&#8221;.  The only technique that will work with these guys is defest of their proposals.  Reason, caring and compassion are things they abhor.</p>
<p>Scott<br />
-Who is ashamed to share Minnesota with such complete stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdrianT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the imam&#039;s comment is stupid enough to warrant a cartoon about it......

...oh silly me, most imams tend to be a bit sensitive to that kind of criticism don&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the imam&#8217;s comment is stupid enough to warrant a cartoon about it&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;oh silly me, most imams tend to be a bit sensitive to that kind of criticism don&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,

I would agree with you.  How any real heterosexual could say something like that and believe it to be true would require that they be completely and utterly out of touch with their own sexual feelings...or gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,</p>
<p>I would agree with you.  How any real heterosexual could say something like that and believe it to be true would require that they be completely and utterly out of touch with their own sexual feelings&#8230;or gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polygamy is &lt;strong&gt;celebrated&lt;/strong&gt; in the Torah, and ordained by G-d as a blessed type of arrangement. Jacob married Rachel and Leah, both of whom are revered and respected matriarchs of my faith. Wiki gives a good sum-up (emphases mine):

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the modern day, Rabbinic Judaism has essentially outlawed polygamy. Ashkenazi Jews have followed &lt;strong&gt;Rabbenu Gershom&#039;s ban since the 11th century.&lt;/strong&gt;[31] Some Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews (particularly those from Yemen and Iran) discontinued polygamy much more recently, as they emigrated to countries where it was forbidden. The State of Israel has severely limited the ability for Jews to enter polygamous marriages,[32] but instituted provisions for existing polygamous families immigrating from countries where the practice was legal.

Among Karaite Jews, who do not adhere to Rabbinic interpretations of the Torah, polygamy is almost non-existent today. Like other Jews, Karaites interpret &lt;strong&gt;Leviticus 18:18&lt;/strong&gt; to mean that a man can only take a second wife if his first wife gives her consent (Keter Torah on Leviticus, pp.96—97) and Karaites interpret &lt;strong&gt;Exodus 21:10&lt;/strong&gt; to mean that a man can only take a second wife if he is capable of maintaining the same level of marital duties due to his first wife; the marital duties are 1) food, 2) clothing, and 3) sexual gratification. Because of these two biblical limitations and because nearly all countries outlaw it, polygamy is considered highly impractical, and there are only a few known cases of it among Karaite Jews today.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polygamy is <strong>celebrated</strong> in the Torah, and ordained by G-d as a blessed type of arrangement. Jacob married Rachel and Leah, both of whom are revered and respected matriarchs of my faith. Wiki gives a good sum-up (emphases mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>In the modern day, Rabbinic Judaism has essentially outlawed polygamy. Ashkenazi Jews have followed <strong>Rabbenu Gershom&#8217;s ban since the 11th century.</strong>[31] Some Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews (particularly those from Yemen and Iran) discontinued polygamy much more recently, as they emigrated to countries where it was forbidden. The State of Israel has severely limited the ability for Jews to enter polygamous marriages,[32] but instituted provisions for existing polygamous families immigrating from countries where the practice was legal.</p>
<p>Among Karaite Jews, who do not adhere to Rabbinic interpretations of the Torah, polygamy is almost non-existent today. Like other Jews, Karaites interpret <strong>Leviticus 18:18</strong> to mean that a man can only take a second wife if his first wife gives her consent (Keter Torah on Leviticus, pp.96—97) and Karaites interpret <strong>Exodus 21:10</strong> to mean that a man can only take a second wife if he is capable of maintaining the same level of marital duties due to his first wife; the marital duties are 1) food, 2) clothing, and 3) sexual gratification. Because of these two biblical limitations and because nearly all countries outlaw it, polygamy is considered highly impractical, and there are only a few known cases of it among Karaite Jews today.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;2. You could call it incest, but what else are you to do when there are no other humans around?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Should not the Christian answer be that one should pray for a proper mate?
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As to Jim&#039;s idea, it is imminently probable that if gay marriage is allowed that the straights will find that a gay couple will move into their midst out in the suburbs.   The two of them will fix up their now fabulous home, manicured yard, luscious gardens, perfectly heated pool, etc., which leads wives in the surrounding now shabby-appearing area to brow-beating their respective husband with words to the effect that &#039;why can&#039;t you do things around the house like Larry and Lynn?&#039;  Sadly enough the emasculated straight male then feeling a downturn in his masculinity either relents - further driving the couple into debt, becomes morose and drives their marriage into a divorce, or becomes homicidal.   Or lastly, he sees a new light and takes up with his neighbors husband.

Thus giving the AFA, FotF, etc., the definitive reason for stopping gay marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>2. You could call it incest, but what else are you to do when there are no other humans around?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Should not the Christian answer be that one should pray for a proper mate?<br />
_________________________________</p>
<p>As to Jim&#8217;s idea, it is imminently probable that if gay marriage is allowed that the straights will find that a gay couple will move into their midst out in the suburbs.   The two of them will fix up their now fabulous home, manicured yard, luscious gardens, perfectly heated pool, etc., which leads wives in the surrounding now shabby-appearing area to brow-beating their respective husband with words to the effect that &#8216;why can&#8217;t you do things around the house like Larry and Lynn?&#8217;  Sadly enough the emasculated straight male then feeling a downturn in his masculinity either relents &#8211; further driving the couple into debt, becomes morose and drives their marriage into a divorce, or becomes homicidal.   Or lastly, he sees a new light and takes up with his neighbors husband.</p>
<p>Thus giving the AFA, FotF, etc., the definitive reason for stopping gay marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
Surely you aren’t as oblivious as you type to be. But to be safe, I’ll explain.

This was a situation where either: A)we procreate with family Or B) Our entire race dies out.

It is not quite as trivial as the dateless scenario you proposed.&lt;/i&gt;

my point is that incest is incest regardless of whether or not other people are available.  Is it understandable?  Perhaps, but that doesn&#039;t magically make it NOT incest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><br />
Surely you aren’t as oblivious as you type to be. But to be safe, I’ll explain.</p>
<p>This was a situation where either: A)we procreate with family Or B) Our entire race dies out.</p>
<p>It is not quite as trivial as the dateless scenario you proposed.</i></p>
<p>my point is that incest is incest regardless of whether or not other people are available.  Is it understandable?  Perhaps, but that doesn&#8217;t magically make it NOT incest.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only people who argue that all people could go gay are people who actually have gay desires. If someone has no gay desires whatsoever they would see how ridiculous such a comment is. Anytime someone makes such a ludicrous argument I go on the assumption he or she is a closeted gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only people who argue that all people could go gay are people who actually have gay desires. If someone has no gay desires whatsoever they would see how ridiculous such a comment is. Anytime someone makes such a ludicrous argument I go on the assumption he or she is a closeted gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Dann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason

Your comment goes off on a wildy sensationalist tangent. 

You said,

&lt;I&gt;Is incest okay if nobody else wants to go out with you, for example? I’m just trying to understand this suddenly disappearing/reappearing standard for incest.&lt;/I&gt;

Surely you aren&#039;t as oblivious as you type to be. But to be safe, I&#039;ll explain.

This was a situation where either: A)we procreate with family Or B) Our entire race dies out.

It is not quite as trivial as the dateless scenario you proposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason</p>
<p>Your comment goes off on a wildy sensationalist tangent. </p>
<p>You said,</p>
<p><i>Is incest okay if nobody else wants to go out with you, for example? I’m just trying to understand this suddenly disappearing/reappearing standard for incest.</i></p>
<p>Surely you aren&#8217;t as oblivious as you type to be. But to be safe, I&#8217;ll explain.</p>
<p>This was a situation where either: A)we procreate with family Or B) Our entire race dies out.</p>
<p>It is not quite as trivial as the dateless scenario you proposed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;2. You could call it incest, but what else are you to do when there are no other humans around?&lt;/i&gt;

So am I to understand that incest is only incest when other partners aren&#039;t available?  What&#039;s the criteria for unavailable?  Is incest okay if nobody else wants to go out with you, for example?  I&#039;m just trying to understand this suddenly disappearing/reappearing standard for incest.

The fact remains that the slippery slope need go nowhere near gay people to get to incest, polygamy, beastiality, etc.

Examples:

If marriage is between a man and a woman, then :

a) a man can marry his sister, she is a woman!

b) a man can marry several women, just not at the same wedding, thus each marriage will have one man and one woman, but the marriages will take place simultaneously.

c) a man can marry his dog, as she is a woman(albeit of a different species)

d) a man can marry a female child (she will be a woman, eventually). Funny thing: this was actually quite common, with preteen girls being married to men three or four times her age.

e) a man can marry a female corpse (she used to be a woman).


See, incest, polygamy, beastiality, pedophilia, and even necrophilia all without a glimmer of homosexuality.

Huh, wonder what&#039;s keeping these things from happening?  (hint, the answer is NOT &quot;the bans on same-sex marriage).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>2. You could call it incest, but what else are you to do when there are no other humans around?</i></p>
<p>So am I to understand that incest is only incest when other partners aren&#8217;t available?  What&#8217;s the criteria for unavailable?  Is incest okay if nobody else wants to go out with you, for example?  I&#8217;m just trying to understand this suddenly disappearing/reappearing standard for incest.</p>
<p>The fact remains that the slippery slope need go nowhere near gay people to get to incest, polygamy, beastiality, etc.</p>
<p>Examples:</p>
<p>If marriage is between a man and a woman, then :</p>
<p>a) a man can marry his sister, she is a woman!</p>
<p>b) a man can marry several women, just not at the same wedding, thus each marriage will have one man and one woman, but the marriages will take place simultaneously.</p>
<p>c) a man can marry his dog, as she is a woman(albeit of a different species)</p>
<p>d) a man can marry a female child (she will be a woman, eventually). Funny thing: this was actually quite common, with preteen girls being married to men three or four times her age.</p>
<p>e) a man can marry a female corpse (she used to be a woman).</p>
<p>See, incest, polygamy, beastiality, pedophilia, and even necrophilia all without a glimmer of homosexuality.</p>
<p>Huh, wonder what&#8217;s keeping these things from happening?  (hint, the answer is NOT &#8220;the bans on same-sex marriage).</p>
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