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Thank you.

You try my patience mightily. I am not the sort of man who suffers foolishness gladly, and you are displaying it in spades. And I do not like having my intelligence insulted.

You wrote, “Considering that the birth control pill is an Abortifacient.” This is false.

I am well aware how birth control pills work: either by preventing ovulation or by preventing a zygote from implanting in the uterine lining. Neither process is an abortion. An abortion is the loss of a pregnancy, and pregnancy begins when the zygote implants in the uterus, not before.

Since the latter process, preventing implantation, is contragestive rather than contraceptive, many abortion opponents oppose birth control measure that work this way. They may consider such measures abortive, but this is technically untrue. Accordingly, most do not say such measures cause abortions. (“are not usually considered abortive”).

You’ve made it very clear that you consider all fetus’s alive and therefore worthy of death certificates, therefore fetuses affected by the birth control pill and via miscarriage are just as “dead” as those who are aborted by a doctor, thus – by your logic – all are in need of death certificates.

I consider a developing fetus to be alive for the same reasons I consider growing grass and multiplying bacteria to be alive. Any other point of view is idiotic.

The word “fetus” is properly used to refer to a gestating vertebrate after its primary morphological development is complete. (In humans this is around 8 weeks gestation.) Birth control pills, including emergency contraception, do not affect fetuses, or even embryos. They can only stop dividing zygotes (blastocysts) from implanting. It seems you are the one who is largely ignorant about reproduction, Jason.

I told Timothy Kincaid that “death certificates for abortions might be a very good idea” because “abortions are performed in this country well throughout the second trimester, and even into the third.” As I said to Emily K,

The purpose of my comment was to point out that some pretty terrible and cruel things go on in the name of reproductive freedom in this country.

Your posts entirely missed the point of my comments. Entirely. You say you read me carefully, but your posts make it clear you didn’t understand what you were reading.

I got his number…believe me…it’s only a matter of time before he’s caught with a tranvestite hooker; busted in a gAy theater with his pants around his ankles; spotted in an adult bookstore movie booth propositioning a cop…

I can’t wait.

Imagine what that would do to the calendar industry?

January, February, March, April, not April, June…

Measures that prevent a zygote from implanting in the uterine lining are not usually considered abortive. If Rep. Campfield so considers them he must realize that issuing certificates for such ‘abortions’ is beyond the realm of possibility.”

Wow, Dave, you really don’t read much on the subject do you? The Birth Control prevents pregnancy TWO ways.

1 – (Which you are familiar with) is to prevent implantation.

2 – Chemically aborting implanted zygotes. Yes, indeed, the pill doesn’t always prevent implantation, some zygotes manage to implant regardless and the pill takes care of them after implantation.

The morning after pill is merely a higher dosage of the birth control pill, thus it prevents pregnancy via method #2. A doctor who prescribes the morning after pill is merely providing a more vigorous version of the same methods already available to women through their regular pill.

So yes, the birth control pill is, in fact, an abortifacient.

If you’d bothered to read up on the subject you’d know this, and you’d also know that many on the Anti-Abortion side are also against the birth control pill for the very same reason.

“In any event, this is completely irrelevant as I wrote about second and third trimester abortions.

I really don’t see how your comment proves anything other than your refusal to carefully read the people you quote.”

You’ve made it very clear that you consider all fetus’s alive and therefore worthy of death certificates, therefore fetuses affected by the birth control pill and via miscarriage are just as “dead” as those who are aborted by a doctor, thus – by your logic – all are in need of death certificates.

I read you carefully, it is your comments, and logic, that shows you have done very little reading on the subject of reproduction, reproductive rights, and the consequences of your logic. My point, my posts, were merely pointing out the many problems inheirent in both your stance on fetus’s and the issuing of death certificates. These are relevant issues you were either completely ignorant of, or have chosen to ignore.

I don’t know if you have seen this but the blog “Jesus’ General” made a hilarious and impassioned plea on the behalf of “Spermatozoan Americans,” essentially declaring that wayward hands can cause billions of deaths! That’s a lot of homunculi..

Considering that the birth control pill is an Abortifacient, this would be a ridiculously difficult proposal to carry out.

Jason D,

Measures that prevent a zygote from implanting in the uterine lining are not usually considered abortive. If Rep. Campfield so considers them he must realize that issuing certificates for such ‘abortions’ is beyond the realm of possibility.

In any event, this is completely irrelevant as I wrote about second and third trimester abortions.

I really don’t see how your comment proves anything other than your refusal to carefully read the people you quote.

Do you know how often women miscarry without even knowing it?

Again, this relates to my comment how?

Considering that the birth control pill is an Abortifacient, this would be a ridiculously difficult proposal to carry out. Would women have to show up to the doctor’s office monthly to determine how many pill-induced abortions she had, and therefore issue death certificates? Do you want to pay for those doctor visits, Dave? Perhaps the docs should issue a stack of death certificates with the pills and women should fill them out after every period(if she’s had sex), just to be on the safe side?

Do you know how often women miscarry without even knowing it? My mother had at least 3 without the slightest inkling she was pregnant.