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	<title>Comments on: Governor Douglas to Veto Vermont&#8217;s Marriage Bill</title>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/03/25/10083/comment-page-1#comment-37151</link>
		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does VT have a recall system in place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does VT have a recall system in place?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/03/25/10083/comment-page-1#comment-37149</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not that i need to learn how to spell, i need to be able to type better than i do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not that i need to learn how to spell, i need to be able to type better than i do.</p>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/03/25/10083/comment-page-1#comment-37148</link>
		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will never vote for a heterosexual of any political party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never vote for a heterosexual of any political party.</p>
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		<title>By: Not That David</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/03/25/10083/comment-page-1#comment-37129</link>
		<dc:creator>Not That David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David:
You wrote
&quot;Ben: Try learning how to spell: your political thoughts might then carry a bit more weight among those of us who can.&quot;

Empty dismissals like that indicate a lack of any substantive argument. Your &quot;political thoughts&quot; would have more weight if they contained a substantive, rational argument, instead of niggling nitpickery and creepy carping.

Ben in Oakland made reasonable points - marriage equality is an element of the economy, since marriage facilitates measurable economic security for those allowed to enter into the contract, depriving same-sex couples disadvantages them economically, and the business of throwing weddings is very lucrative.

Further, the Governor&#039;s willingness to harm same-sex couples, standard practice for Republicans, is a valid reason not to vote for him, or other Republican candidates.  If he is willing to harm one group of people, it is reasonable to assume that he is a risk to others as well.  Further, his zero-sum game mentality is incompetence made manifest in a society as complex as ours is today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:<br />
You wrote<br />
&#8220;Ben: Try learning how to spell: your political thoughts might then carry a bit more weight among those of us who can.&#8221;</p>
<p>Empty dismissals like that indicate a lack of any substantive argument. Your &#8220;political thoughts&#8221; would have more weight if they contained a substantive, rational argument, instead of niggling nitpickery and creepy carping.</p>
<p>Ben in Oakland made reasonable points &#8211; marriage equality is an element of the economy, since marriage facilitates measurable economic security for those allowed to enter into the contract, depriving same-sex couples disadvantages them economically, and the business of throwing weddings is very lucrative.</p>
<p>Further, the Governor&#8217;s willingness to harm same-sex couples, standard practice for Republicans, is a valid reason not to vote for him, or other Republican candidates.  If he is willing to harm one group of people, it is reasonable to assume that he is a risk to others as well.  Further, his zero-sum game mentality is incompetence made manifest in a society as complex as ours is today.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MaskedBandit:

Ben: Try learning how to spell: your political thoughts might then carry a bit more weight among those of us who can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MaskedBandit:</p>
<p>Ben: Try learning how to spell: your political thoughts might then carry a bit more weight among those of us who can.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t either if I had any choice. As I have always said, the only party worse for the country than the democrats are the republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t either if I had any choice. As I have always said, the only party worse for the country than the democrats are the republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben in Oakland:

&lt;blockquote&gt;He’s given me yet another reason– as if I needed one– never to vote for a Republican.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Myself, I never vote for Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben in Oakland:</p>
<blockquote><p>He’s given me yet another reason– as if I needed one– never to vote for a Republican.</p></blockquote>
<p>Myself, I never vote for Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Activist governors ignoring the will of the majority?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Um, governors are political leaders, same as legislators. They are supposed to be activists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan:</p>
<blockquote><p>Activist governors ignoring the will of the majority?</p></blockquote>
<p>Um, governors are political leaders, same as legislators. They are supposed to be activists.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think Gov. Douglas wants to toe the party line (although in Vermont I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s the Republican party line as much as elsewhere) without taking on the huge burden of letting himself be the only scapegoat for preventing SSM.  It sounds to me like he&#039;s taking the chance that by reporting his intentions early, he hopes the House will make sure to pass the legislation in a veto-proof manner.  However, this could backfire if they don&#039;t, as he&#039;ll end up being vilified by the Vermont LGBT community and likely will face plummeting approval ratings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think Gov. Douglas wants to toe the party line (although in Vermont I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s the Republican party line as much as elsewhere) without taking on the huge burden of letting himself be the only scapegoat for preventing SSM.  It sounds to me like he&#8217;s taking the chance that by reporting his intentions early, he hopes the House will make sure to pass the legislation in a veto-proof manner.  However, this could backfire if they don&#8217;t, as he&#8217;ll end up being vilified by the Vermont LGBT community and likely will face plummeting approval ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governor Douglas could get a pass by announcing his intent to veto the bill before the House vote.  He comes out &quot;clean&quot; to his conservative Republican base if he is effectively cut out of the loop by a 2/3&#039;s majority, and as a bonus (to him), SSM activists have a smaller target to hit. 

I hope for the veto-proof majority, even if it does essentially take Douglas off the hook to some extent.  Vermont SSM activists want SSM rights, not just the consolation prize of forcing Douglas to act and show himself to be an enemy of SSM indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor Douglas could get a pass by announcing his intent to veto the bill before the House vote.  He comes out &#8220;clean&#8221; to his conservative Republican base if he is effectively cut out of the loop by a 2/3&#8242;s majority, and as a bonus (to him), SSM activists have a smaller target to hit. </p>
<p>I hope for the veto-proof majority, even if it does essentially take Douglas off the hook to some extent.  Vermont SSM activists want SSM rights, not just the consolation prize of forcing Douglas to act and show himself to be an enemy of SSM indeed.</p>
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