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	<title>Comments on: Rick Warren&#8217;s Nose Grew Much, Much Bigger</title>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be funny if it weren&#039;t so darn
tragic. What I see is 100s of thousands
of real scared kids. The side in support
of the California Supreme Court decision
allowing gay and lesbian partnerships
to be legalized didn&#039;t get into the 
arguing in front of the kiddies much.

A damnably messy kettle of lumpy
 mush--Utah&#039;s national breakfast 
dish, or was. Maybe we should have
a law declaring lumpy mush our
national dish. That&#039;s how they 
do in Utah, or try.

Its illegal for a man to walk down 
the street between two women in
Cedar City, Utah. My mother told me 
that as an example of silly laws 
that nobody gets around to changing. 
I was seven, maybe and she explained 
it all to me. And I agreed. 

50 years later I not only think it 
dumb, but dangerous. Life, liberty, 
and the pursuit of happiness, mmmmm, where&#039;s that from.

Who would it hurt if Polygamy were
decriminalized? It was legal for 20
years (see the Smith Act). It was 
common until Justinian took up 
Christianity and remolded the faith
in his own image. That hardly happened
5,000 years ago. Gimmie a break Rev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be funny if it weren&#8217;t so darn<br />
tragic. What I see is 100s of thousands<br />
of real scared kids. The side in support<br />
of the California Supreme Court decision<br />
allowing gay and lesbian partnerships<br />
to be legalized didn&#8217;t get into the<br />
arguing in front of the kiddies much.</p>
<p>A damnably messy kettle of lumpy<br />
 mush&#8211;Utah&#8217;s national breakfast<br />
dish, or was. Maybe we should have<br />
a law declaring lumpy mush our<br />
national dish. That&#8217;s how they<br />
do in Utah, or try.</p>
<p>Its illegal for a man to walk down<br />
the street between two women in<br />
Cedar City, Utah. My mother told me<br />
that as an example of silly laws<br />
that nobody gets around to changing.<br />
I was seven, maybe and she explained<br />
it all to me. And I agreed. </p>
<p>50 years later I not only think it<br />
dumb, but dangerous. Life, liberty,<br />
and the pursuit of happiness, mmmmm, where&#8217;s that from.</p>
<p>Who would it hurt if Polygamy were<br />
decriminalized? It was legal for 20<br />
years (see the Smith Act). It was<br />
common until Justinian took up<br />
Christianity and remolded the faith<br />
in his own image. That hardly happened<br />
5,000 years ago. Gimmie a break Rev.</p>
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		<title>By: Attmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s strange how many bigots claim to have gay friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s strange how many bigots claim to have gay friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fannie,

You may be joking a bit, but I wouldn&#039;t doubt it.  

In Warren&#039;s mind he is the moderate loving face of Evangelical Christianity.  Anything that doesn&#039;t fit with that image will fade from his recollection.

He&#039;s already forgotten his video and his comparisons to pedophilia and incest.  And I really do think that in some ways he truly has forgotten - it isn&#039;t how he thinks of himself so it just MUST have been some anomoly and not really that big a deal.

As Christianity in whole comes to embrace its gay children (which is going to happen), Warren will recall that he worked with some gay people on AIDS and that his church was &quot;always open to everyone&quot; and he&#039;ll forget he ever said that the Bible opposed gay couples.

I do think it&#039;s very likely that Warren will recall himself as a leader in supporting gays.  Many current anti-gays will.

Have you ever met anyone who recalls supporting miscegenation laws?  Or anyone who opposed racial equality?

Votes and polls say they did, and in great number.  But no one ever seems to recall that they were among those who did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fannie,</p>
<p>You may be joking a bit, but I wouldn&#8217;t doubt it.  </p>
<p>In Warren&#8217;s mind he is the moderate loving face of Evangelical Christianity.  Anything that doesn&#8217;t fit with that image will fade from his recollection.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s already forgotten his video and his comparisons to pedophilia and incest.  And I really do think that in some ways he truly has forgotten &#8211; it isn&#8217;t how he thinks of himself so it just MUST have been some anomoly and not really that big a deal.</p>
<p>As Christianity in whole comes to embrace its gay children (which is going to happen), Warren will recall that he worked with some gay people on AIDS and that his church was &#8220;always open to everyone&#8221; and he&#8217;ll forget he ever said that the Bible opposed gay couples.</p>
<p>I do think it&#8217;s very likely that Warren will recall himself as a leader in supporting gays.  Many current anti-gays will.</p>
<p>Have you ever met anyone who recalls supporting miscegenation laws?  Or anyone who opposed racial equality?</p>
<p>Votes and polls say they did, and in great number.  But no one ever seems to recall that they were among those who did.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swampfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man is a bold face liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man is a bold face liar.</p>
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		<title>By: fannie</title>
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		<dc:creator>fannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wait until 50 years from now when no one will want to admit to being associated with the &quot;marriage defense&quot; movement.  Maybe by then Warren will have re-write history as him being on the vanguard of the LGBT rights movement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wait until 50 years from now when no one will want to admit to being associated with the &#8220;marriage defense&#8221; movement.  Maybe by then Warren will have re-write history as him being on the vanguard of the LGBT rights movement!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The theological purists aren&#039;t going care at all that he lied on Larry King&#039;s show. But they will try to punish him for now distancing himself from Prop 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The theological purists aren&#8217;t going care at all that he lied on Larry King&#8217;s show. But they will try to punish him for now distancing himself from Prop 8.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you must be reminded that for so many anti-gay religionists, it&#039;s not a lie if told in the service of The Fountain of Truth.

In the immortal recitation of St. Humpty Dumpty:

&quot;Words mean exactly what I say they mean. Nothing more. And nothing less.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you must be reminded that for so many anti-gay religionists, it&#8217;s not a lie if told in the service of The Fountain of Truth.</p>
<p>In the immortal recitation of St. Humpty Dumpty:</p>
<p>&#8220;Words mean exactly what I say they mean. Nothing more. And nothing less.&#8221;</p>
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