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		<title>By: Bob Greenpoint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Greenpoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone who is as religious as Woodlief (not to mention tortured and repressed), also believes the following will happen at the direction of God:

Revelation 15-19:  &quot;The Four Angels were untied and let loose, Four Angels all prepared for the exact year, month, day, and even hour when they were to kill a third of the human race. The number of the army of horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard the count and saw both horses and riders in my vision: fiery breastplates on the riders, lion heads on the horses breathing out fire and smoke and brimstone. With these three weapons—fire and smoke and brimstone—they killed a third of the human race. The horses killed with their mouths and tails; their serpentlike tails also had heads that wreaked havoc.&quot;

What&#039;s hating a couple fags at work when you believe God is going to kill 2,300,000,000 men, women and children in a single act of the Book of Revelation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone who is as religious as Woodlief (not to mention tortured and repressed), also believes the following will happen at the direction of God:</p>
<p>Revelation 15-19:  &#8220;The Four Angels were untied and let loose, Four Angels all prepared for the exact year, month, day, and even hour when they were to kill a third of the human race. The number of the army of horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard the count and saw both horses and riders in my vision: fiery breastplates on the riders, lion heads on the horses breathing out fire and smoke and brimstone. With these three weapons—fire and smoke and brimstone—they killed a third of the human race. The horses killed with their mouths and tails; their serpentlike tails also had heads that wreaked havoc.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s hating a couple fags at work when you believe God is going to kill 2,300,000,000 men, women and children in a single act of the Book of Revelation?</p>
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		<title>By: nuncio</title>
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		<dc:creator>nuncio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, someone show me in my bible where it says gay = sin.
I&#039;ve looked and it doesn&#039;t say that anywhere.
Not in MY bible.
Not in MY beliefs.
Not in MY environment.

I was raised Catholic and I never heard such a thing.  I&#039;m not even joking.  We even asked the nuns about Jewish people.  We were told they just believe something different.  And that&#039;s OK.  Because God loves all his children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, someone show me in my bible where it says gay = sin.<br />
I&#8217;ve looked and it doesn&#8217;t say that anywhere.<br />
Not in MY bible.<br />
Not in MY beliefs.<br />
Not in MY environment.</p>
<p>I was raised Catholic and I never heard such a thing.  I&#8217;m not even joking.  We even asked the nuns about Jewish people.  We were told they just believe something different.  And that&#8217;s OK.  Because God loves all his children.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that Gay Patriot exists because being gay has nothing to do with political inclination and everything to do with who you are attracted to. 

What I DON&#039;T like about Gay Patriot (and this might not be their fault per se) is that people like Exodus V.P. and &quot;ex-gay&quot; Randy Thomas uses Gay Patriot to &quot;prove&quot; that gays align with his views. He gives a caveat saying &quot;Gay Patriot is a gay-identified blog and supports the redifinition of marriage.&quot; But in the end it&#039;s just exploitation, as though he&#039;s saying &quot;SEE??? gays are DIVIDED. Even THEY oppose anti-bullying measures and hate crimes legislation. And if ALL gays don&#039;t support that stuff, they obviously don&#039;t really want it; they just want to push their agenda to force me to accept homosexuality.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that Gay Patriot exists because being gay has nothing to do with political inclination and everything to do with who you are attracted to. </p>
<p>What I DON&#8217;T like about Gay Patriot (and this might not be their fault per se) is that people like Exodus V.P. and &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; Randy Thomas uses Gay Patriot to &#8220;prove&#8221; that gays align with his views. He gives a caveat saying &#8220;Gay Patriot is a gay-identified blog and supports the redifinition of marriage.&#8221; But in the end it&#8217;s just exploitation, as though he&#8217;s saying &#8220;SEE??? gays are DIVIDED. Even THEY oppose anti-bullying measures and hate crimes legislation. And if ALL gays don&#8217;t support that stuff, they obviously don&#8217;t really want it; they just want to push their agenda to force me to accept homosexuality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

You really hit the nail on the head on this whole &quot;gay friends&quot; issue.  Whenever these homophobic bigots spout this trash about how understanding their &quot;gay friends&quot; are, I really wish that the press would ask for references they could contact.  If none are provided, that should be reported, and if some are provided, they really should be followed up for a quote or a &quot;No Comment.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>You really hit the nail on the head on this whole &#8220;gay friends&#8221; issue.  Whenever these homophobic bigots spout this trash about how understanding their &#8220;gay friends&#8221; are, I really wish that the press would ask for references they could contact.  If none are provided, that should be reported, and if some are provided, they really should be followed up for a quote or a &#8220;No Comment.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well first off, you mean libel, not slander.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, Tommy, I meant &lt;b&gt;slander:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;the expression of injurious, malicious statements about someone.&lt;/i&gt;

Zeke said that many Gay Patriot fans &quot;would much rather hang out and be friends with raging homophobes than with out, proud, gay people.&quot; That is a malicious statement, and one meant to harm their reputations in the eyes of gay people. 

As for your opinion of Gay Patriot&#039;s politics, that is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well first off, you mean libel, not slander.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, Tommy, I meant <b>slander:</b> <i>the expression of injurious, malicious statements about someone.</i></p>
<p>Zeke said that many Gay Patriot fans &#8220;would much rather hang out and be friends with raging homophobes than with out, proud, gay people.&#8221; That is a malicious statement, and one meant to harm their reputations in the eyes of gay people. </p>
<p>As for your opinion of Gay Patriot&#8217;s politics, that is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are these hypothetical friends? I guess these people never learned the difference between a friend and an acquaintance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are these hypothetical friends? I guess these people never learned the difference between a friend and an acquaintance.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, Jim...
I&#039;ll forward Burt&#039;s emails to me and our exchanges. Your opinion is welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, Jim&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;ll forward Burt&#8217;s emails to me and our exchanges. Your opinion is welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might reiterate the El Coyote kerfuffle again. I&#039;ve just recently had a run in with an anti gay friend of Marj Christofferson&#039;s who also claims to have gay friends.

    In making claims that she loved and cared about her gay friends, she had to know also what was at stake with regard to gay marriage. She should have known from them experiences with loss of careers, children, each other, their property and families of origin.
All but for lack of the freedom to marry.

    She should have known that this is a quality of life issue, not a difference of political, religious or affiliate backgrounds, but a difference between life itself.

  Her involvement wouldn&#039;t have been any different if she&#039;d claimed having black friends and support for her black employees, and participated in any laws that supported Jim Crow specific or like intended discrimination.

  Her friend, Burt Prelutsky, is a local to the Valley and likened the loss of marriage rights in CA, to losing the Presidential election to BO.

  The proper equivalence to what happened was lost on him AND Marj.
People who consider themselves upright and morally sound people.

 Right.

  I&#039;ve noticed that the ONE or few exceptional experiences most of these types have with gays and lesbians, it just HAPPENS to be the most stereotypical sort of gay person they could describe.
And gay people who just HAPPEN to share their opinions, so therefore the WHOLE of gay people SHOULD have the same beliefs too.

    They must think us all fools to believe what they tell us...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might reiterate the El Coyote kerfuffle again. I&#8217;ve just recently had a run in with an anti gay friend of Marj Christofferson&#8217;s who also claims to have gay friends.</p>
<p>    In making claims that she loved and cared about her gay friends, she had to know also what was at stake with regard to gay marriage. She should have known from them experiences with loss of careers, children, each other, their property and families of origin.<br />
All but for lack of the freedom to marry.</p>
<p>    She should have known that this is a quality of life issue, not a difference of political, religious or affiliate backgrounds, but a difference between life itself.</p>
<p>  Her involvement wouldn&#8217;t have been any different if she&#8217;d claimed having black friends and support for her black employees, and participated in any laws that supported Jim Crow specific or like intended discrimination.</p>
<p>  Her friend, Burt Prelutsky, is a local to the Valley and likened the loss of marriage rights in CA, to losing the Presidential election to BO.</p>
<p>  The proper equivalence to what happened was lost on him AND Marj.<br />
People who consider themselves upright and morally sound people.</p>
<p> Right.</p>
<p>  I&#8217;ve noticed that the ONE or few exceptional experiences most of these types have with gays and lesbians, it just HAPPENS to be the most stereotypical sort of gay person they could describe.<br />
And gay people who just HAPPEN to share their opinions, so therefore the WHOLE of gay people SHOULD have the same beliefs too.</p>
<p>    They must think us all fools to believe what they tell us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You did notice his slander of many commenter at Gay Patriot as self-loathing fools who prefer homophobes to homosexuals, didn’t you?&quot;

Well first off, you mean libel, not slander. (The statement isn&#039;t libel by the way.)

And secondly, after a cursory glance at that particular website (because I don&#039;t think I could stomach much more than that), my conclusion is that the readership suffers from the same thinking that causes poor people to support tax cuts for the rich. Namely that they have been convinced what is in their best interest, is of little importance, and what is in other people&#039;s best interest is of primary concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You did notice his slander of many commenter at Gay Patriot as self-loathing fools who prefer homophobes to homosexuals, didn’t you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well first off, you mean libel, not slander. (The statement isn&#8217;t libel by the way.)</p>
<p>And secondly, after a cursory glance at that particular website (because I don&#8217;t think I could stomach much more than that), my conclusion is that the readership suffers from the same thinking that causes poor people to support tax cuts for the rich. Namely that they have been convinced what is in their best interest, is of little importance, and what is in other people&#8217;s best interest is of primary concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy,

You write,

&lt;blockquote&gt;No self-respecting gay person could possibly tolerate “thinkers” who are actively working against their fundamental human rights.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, Tommy, you&#039;d be surprised at the differences that friendship can make room for. 

Philosopher and gay activist (there I am daring to use that phrase again) John Corvino &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indegayforum.org/news/show/31707.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has written&lt;/a&gt; about his friendship with Glenn Stanton of Focus on the Family, with whom he often debates the issue of same-sex marriage. Stanton has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/january/1.38.html?start=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;done likewise.&lt;/a&gt;

Of course self-respecting gay people are allowed to have their own opinions as to what constitutes a fundamental human right.

If a gay person like B. Daniel Blatt, who blogs at Gay Patriot, thinks that marriage isn&#039;t a human right at all, but rather a privilege because the state privileges the relationship, he doesn&#039;t deserve to be called &quot;self-loathing.&quot;

The point of my comment was that gays who dare to hold conservative opinions are labeled self-hating by gay leftists all the time. The accusation is nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy,</p>
<p>You write,</p>
<blockquote><p>No self-respecting gay person could possibly tolerate “thinkers” who are actively working against their fundamental human rights.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, Tommy, you&#8217;d be surprised at the differences that friendship can make room for. </p>
<p>Philosopher and gay activist (there I am daring to use that phrase again) John Corvino <a href="http://www.indegayforum.org/news/show/31707.html" rel="nofollow">has written</a> about his friendship with Glenn Stanton of Focus on the Family, with whom he often debates the issue of same-sex marriage. Stanton has <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/january/1.38.html?start=1" rel="nofollow">done likewise.</a></p>
<p>Of course self-respecting gay people are allowed to have their own opinions as to what constitutes a fundamental human right.</p>
<p>If a gay person like B. Daniel Blatt, who blogs at Gay Patriot, thinks that marriage isn&#8217;t a human right at all, but rather a privilege because the state privileges the relationship, he doesn&#8217;t deserve to be called &#8220;self-loathing.&#8221;</p>
<p>The point of my comment was that gays who dare to hold conservative opinions are labeled self-hating by gay leftists all the time. The accusation is nonsense.</p>
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