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	<title>Comments on: Day of Silence and Various Responses</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy (TRiG)</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/13/10639/comment-page-1#comment-38310</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy (TRiG)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay has &lt;a href=&quot;http://collegejay.blogspot.com/2009/04/do-unto-others.html&quot; title=&quot;Do Unto Others&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post on the Day of Silence and the Golden Rule Pledge&lt;/a&gt;  at CollegeJay. I&#039;m not sure what I think myself.

TRiG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay has <a href="http://collegejay.blogspot.com/2009/04/do-unto-others.html" title="Do Unto Others" rel="nofollow">a post on the Day of Silence and the Golden Rule Pledge</a>  at CollegeJay. I&#8217;m not sure what I think myself.</p>
<p>TRiG.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Wins Out - Exodus, Focus on the Family Defend Violent Status-Quo in Schools</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/13/10639/comment-page-1#comment-38286</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Wins Out - Exodus, Focus on the Family Defend Violent Status-Quo in Schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Box Turtle Bulletin offers a detailed analysis of each campaign by self-styled Christians to defend antigay violence and oppose positive steps to restore safe learning in schools. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/13/10639/comment-page-1#comment-38239</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hb,

Thanks for the correction.  I&#039;ll revise the order above.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the correction.  I&#8217;ll revise the order above.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/13/10639/comment-page-1#comment-38204</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like grantdale, I am no particular fan of Throckmorton&#039;s &quot;Golden Rule.&quot;  I think that it is just another attempt to take attention away from protecting students that either are or are percieved as gay or lesbian in schools by promoting some general &quot;be nice&quot; concept that ignores the very students that need the protection.

Under Theme we have the following:Theme: To draw attention to the appropriate response of Christians when they are asked for respect and protection.

The appropriate response should be, &quot;Yes, we believe that gays and lesbians deserve to be protected in school and we support your efforts and would never do anything to try and muddy the waters and take attention away from your efforts to promote a safe enviornment for kids.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like grantdale, I am no particular fan of Throckmorton&#8217;s &#8220;Golden Rule.&#8221;  I think that it is just another attempt to take attention away from protecting students that either are or are percieved as gay or lesbian in schools by promoting some general &#8220;be nice&#8221; concept that ignores the very students that need the protection.</p>
<p>Under Theme we have the following:Theme: To draw attention to the appropriate response of Christians when they are asked for respect and protection.</p>
<p>The appropriate response should be, &#8220;Yes, we believe that gays and lesbians deserve to be protected in school and we support your efforts and would never do anything to try and muddy the waters and take attention away from your efforts to promote a safe enviornment for kids.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hb</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/13/10639/comment-page-1#comment-38201</link>
		<dc:creator>hb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note:  Errors in you listing of the sponsors of Day of Silence Walk Out.  American&#039;s for Truth (Peter Labarbera) is not a listed hate group - although it should be.  Illinois Family Institute, however, is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note:  Errors in you listing of the sponsors of Day of Silence Walk Out.  American&#8217;s for Truth (Peter Labarbera) is not a listed hate group &#8211; although it should be.  Illinois Family Institute, however, is.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/13/10639/comment-page-1#comment-38181</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grantdale,

There is absolutely no basis to your claim that Warren Throckmorton thinks we &quot;should expect abuse&quot;.

And the Golden Rule Pledge he&#039;s offering makes very clear that it is a Christian&#039;s responsiblity to treat others the way they want to be treated; not, as you claim, &quot;the way you would expect to be treated, &lt;b&gt;if you were them.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;

You don&#039;t have to like Dr. Throckmorton.  

Nor do you have to agree with his theology or his politics.  I certainly don&#039;t.

But what you are saying about him and the Golden Rule Pledge is flatly untrue and unfair.

If you have any evidence whatsoever that the Golden Rule Pledge supports abuse or some distorted definition of the golden rule, feel free to link to the source.  Otherwise please do not make false claims about it at Box Turtle Bulletin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grantdale,</p>
<p>There is absolutely no basis to your claim that Warren Throckmorton thinks we &#8220;should expect abuse&#8221;.</p>
<p>And the Golden Rule Pledge he&#8217;s offering makes very clear that it is a Christian&#8217;s responsiblity to treat others the way they want to be treated; not, as you claim, &#8220;the way you would expect to be treated, <b>if you were them.</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to like Dr. Throckmorton.  </p>
<p>Nor do you have to agree with his theology or his politics.  I certainly don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But what you are saying about him and the Golden Rule Pledge is flatly untrue and unfair.</p>
<p>If you have any evidence whatsoever that the Golden Rule Pledge supports abuse or some distorted definition of the golden rule, feel free to link to the source.  Otherwise please do not make false claims about it at Box Turtle Bulletin.</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/13/10639/comment-page-1#comment-38172</link>
		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All well and good, but that &quot;Golden Rule&quot; to people like Warren Throckmorton also means being free to &lt;i&gt;publicly&lt;/i&gt;treat people like the evil sinners he thinks they are.

If he was doing what we are, he would expect the same negative treatment he hopes we are experiencing. He doesn&#039;t want us to be treated badly, of course, but if we behave badly... like, behave like the homosexual we are  ... what else should we otherwise expect but abuse??? It&#039;s not his fault if people were to treat us like dirt -- he&#039;s only fighting for their right to do so.

And that is how they end up with their particular version of the Golden Rule: treat people like you would expect to be treated, if you were them.

Ah, yes... real clever that deliberate and dishonest twisting of words...

I really do not want people committing to treat me like the evil sinner they think I am. I would instead appreciate them making a commitment to mind their own business.

Which, of course, they cannot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All well and good, but that &#8220;Golden Rule&#8221; to people like Warren Throckmorton also means being free to <i>publicly</i>treat people like the evil sinners he thinks they are.</p>
<p>If he was doing what we are, he would expect the same negative treatment he hopes we are experiencing. He doesn&#8217;t want us to be treated badly, of course, but if we behave badly&#8230; like, behave like the homosexual we are  &#8230; what else should we otherwise expect but abuse??? It&#8217;s not his fault if people were to treat us like dirt &#8212; he&#8217;s only fighting for their right to do so.</p>
<p>And that is how they end up with their particular version of the Golden Rule: treat people like you would expect to be treated, if you were them.</p>
<p>Ah, yes&#8230; real clever that deliberate and dishonest twisting of words&#8230;</p>
<p>I really do not want people committing to treat me like the evil sinner they think I am. I would instead appreciate them making a commitment to mind their own business.</p>
<p>Which, of course, they cannot.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot grasp the mentality that says that a child is partially responsible for being the victim of bullying.

Seriously, someone explain this to me, was there a Supreme Court case that established that bullying was protected by the first amendment?  Is there some part of the Bill of Rights that protects the right to harass and terrorize? Has science established bullies as an essential part of the ecosystem?

It&#039;s almost like Administrators wish they could be the ones bullying the kids personally, so they aren&#039;t interested in helping the victim.  Or they have some screwed up macho bullsh!t that says bullying is somehow necessary part of growing up.  That interfering in a situation hurts someone somehow.  I really don&#039;t get it.  We have kids murdering each other over this issue, and STILL we have administrators who do nothing.  What are they afraid of?  Who are they protecting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot grasp the mentality that says that a child is partially responsible for being the victim of bullying.</p>
<p>Seriously, someone explain this to me, was there a Supreme Court case that established that bullying was protected by the first amendment?  Is there some part of the Bill of Rights that protects the right to harass and terrorize? Has science established bullies as an essential part of the ecosystem?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost like Administrators wish they could be the ones bullying the kids personally, so they aren&#8217;t interested in helping the victim.  Or they have some screwed up macho bullsh!t that says bullying is somehow necessary part of growing up.  That interfering in a situation hurts someone somehow.  I really don&#8217;t get it.  We have kids murdering each other over this issue, and STILL we have administrators who do nothing.  What are they afraid of?  Who are they protecting?</p>
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		<title>By: HappyCat</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/13/10639/comment-page-1#comment-38152</link>
		<dc:creator>HappyCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the Christofacists say they don&#039;t like the labels, Bigot, Haters, Homophobes and Liars.  The ADF accomplishes the earning of these labels in less than one page.  The DOS is not only for LGBT students, it is for all students.  And they wonder why church attendance is down as well as the amount of people who Identify as Christian.  Christians have become the home nest of hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the Christofacists say they don&#8217;t like the labels, Bigot, Haters, Homophobes and Liars.  The ADF accomplishes the earning of these labels in less than one page.  The DOS is not only for LGBT students, it is for all students.  And they wonder why church attendance is down as well as the amount of people who Identify as Christian.  Christians have become the home nest of hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: Trovore</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/13/10639/comment-page-1#comment-38150</link>
		<dc:creator>Trovore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response:  FORCE those obnoxious silent brats to speak!  Silence is disruptive.

Somebody has clearly gone off the deep end...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response:  FORCE those obnoxious silent brats to speak!  Silence is disruptive.</p>
<p>Somebody has clearly gone off the deep end&#8230;</p>
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