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	<title>Comments on: Miss USA contestant Carrie Prejean to star in anti-gay ad</title>
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		<title>By: &#8220;National Organization for Marriage&#8221; is a Deceptive Name &#124; The Adventures of Jessica Sideways</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/29/10999/comment-page-1#comment-39586</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;National Organization for Marriage&#8221; is a Deceptive Name &#124; The Adventures of Jessica Sideways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that&#8217;s not all, because NOM has officially teamed up with the homophobic Miss California Carrie Prejean, who has been a new pet celebrity of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that&#8217;s not all, because NOM has officially teamed up with the homophobic Miss California Carrie Prejean, who has been a new pet celebrity of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: staci</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/29/10999/comment-page-1#comment-39519</link>
		<dc:creator>staci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope her ad is more hilarious than harmful.  I can&#039;t wait to see what Colbert does with it!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope her ad is more hilarious than harmful.  I can&#8217;t wait to see what Colbert does with it!!!</p>
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		<title>By: occono</title>
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		<dc:creator>occono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RU486, the old &quot;Recruitment&quot; trope is still going though, apparently.

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/04/disgusting-antigay-opinion-piece-in-the-des-moines-register.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RU486, the old &#8220;Recruitment&#8221; trope is still going though, apparently.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.towleroad.com/2009/04/disgusting-antigay-opinion-piece-in-the-des-moines-register.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.towleroad.com/2009/04/disgusting-antigay-opinion-piece-in-the-des-moines-register.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: RU486</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/29/10999/comment-page-1#comment-39514</link>
		<dc:creator>RU486</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting how much the homobigots&#039; scare tactics have evolved over the years.  Not that long ago they were claiming that predatory gays would molest children.  Now, the big scare tactic is that gays might say mean things about you on their blogs.  I&#039;d call that progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how much the homobigots&#8217; scare tactics have evolved over the years.  Not that long ago they were claiming that predatory gays would molest children.  Now, the big scare tactic is that gays might say mean things about you on their blogs.  I&#8217;d call that progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss California&#8217;s Gathering Storm &#124; Lez Get Real</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/29/10999/comment-page-1#comment-39512</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss California&#8217;s Gathering Storm &#124; Lez Get Real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just read on the Box Turtle Bulletin that Miss California Carrie Prejean has agreed to appear in an ad against gay marriage produced by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/29/10999/comment-page-1#comment-39474</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, so she has decided to follow in Anita Bryant&#039;s footsteps after all.  While this in no way justifies Hilton&#039;s earlier response, a &lt;i&gt;NOM&lt;/i&gt; ad of all things?  This youngg woman is in dire need of better advisors.  That alone is worthy of parody.   Since this action places her firmly within the public arena now, meaning she has to take the good with the bad like everyone else in that arena, I withdraw my previous objections with the sole exception of course concerning Hilton.  He remains a putz regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, so she has decided to follow in Anita Bryant&#8217;s footsteps after all.  While this in no way justifies Hilton&#8217;s earlier response, a <i>NOM</i> ad of all things?  This youngg woman is in dire need of better advisors.  That alone is worthy of parody.   Since this action places her firmly within the public arena now, meaning she has to take the good with the bad like everyone else in that arena, I withdraw my previous objections with the sole exception of course concerning Hilton.  He remains a putz regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Colorado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Colorado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote some average gay guy: she&#039;s &quot;harmless&quot;.

Well she is less something anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote some average gay guy: she&#8217;s &#8220;harmless&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well she is less something anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are a rainbow coalition of silicon-enhanced runner-ups.... and we are afraid.... Afraid that the Homos will ruin our hairdos and poorly apply the plaster we call makeup. Afraid that the Homos will ruin traditional beauty pageants by competing in them as trannies! I am personally afraid of Amanda Lepore, who I met in person, because her fake breasts are much, much larger than mine...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a rainbow coalition of silicon-enhanced runner-ups&#8230;. and we are afraid&#8230;. Afraid that the Homos will ruin our hairdos and poorly apply the plaster we call makeup. Afraid that the Homos will ruin traditional beauty pageants by competing in them as trannies! I am personally afraid of Amanda Lepore, who I met in person, because her fake breasts are much, much larger than mine&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m a Former Miss California, unable to get a decent hair, makeup or nail job&quot;  &quot;And I am AFRAID&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m a Former Miss California, unable to get a decent hair, makeup or nail job&#8221;  &#8220;And I am AFRAID&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred Clark a.k.a. &lt;a href=&quot;http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2009/04/the-burkhalogic-of-nom.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slacktivist&lt;/a&gt; had some pretty interesting and insightful comments on the mentality behind groups like NOM:

&lt;i&gt;The word I&#039;m stretching for here, Stanley Hauerwas would say, is &quot;constantinianism&quot; -- the inversion and perversion of Christianity that occurred when a religion of slaves and women and the poor became a religion of emperors and empires. Constantinian faith requires and assumes the establishment of an official, privileged religion. It comes to believe, in the language of the First Amendment, that its own free exercise depends on such an establishment -- that its free exercise is incompatible with the free exercise of any other religion (or of no religion at all).

We&#039;ve illustrated this before with the religious practice of wearing burkhas -- or, more accurately, the religious practice of requiring the women one controls to wear burkhas. That practice is intrinsically hegemonic, intrinsically constantinian. It cannot be left as a matter of individual freedom or conscience. It&#039;s not sufficient for those who believe in that practice for only the women of their household or congregation or sect to be clad in burkhas. That still leaves open the possibility that one might be exposed to the immodest displays of the wrists and ankles of other women in the market or the public square. The logic of the burkha requires that all women -- every woman that every man might see -- is fully sheathed so as not to assault the eyes of the faithful.

We see this same burkha-logic at work in that &quot;gathering storm&quot; ad produced by the National Organization for [Our Kind and Only Our Kind of] Marriage.

&quot;Some who advocate for same-sex marriage,&quot; the intern says, &quot;have taken the issue far beyond same-sex couples.&quot;

&quot;They want to bring the issue into my life,&quot; says the closeted actor (subversively playing up a bit of a lisp) who can&#039;t believe he&#039;s doing this for a paycheck.

&quot;My freedom will be taken away,&quot; emotes the young woman.

The script for this ad purportedly has no grievance with others living however they want to live -- but only insofar as their freedom doesn&#039;t impinge upon our right to live in a world where we never have to see them, or to acknowledge their existence. That &quot;takes away&quot; our freedom to live as privileged hegemons. And since we can no longer distinguish between our faith itself and the privileged status of that faith, we perceive this as religious persecution -- as an injustice against us.

Your freedom threatens my freedom to live in a world in which people like you are not free to do the sorts of things you might do with your freedom. &quot;And I am afraid.&quot;

That&#039;s burkha-logic in a nutshell.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Clark a.k.a. <a href="http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2009/04/the-burkhalogic-of-nom.html" rel="nofollow">Slacktivist</a> had some pretty interesting and insightful comments on the mentality behind groups like NOM:</p>
<p><i>The word I&#8217;m stretching for here, Stanley Hauerwas would say, is &#8220;constantinianism&#8221; &#8212; the inversion and perversion of Christianity that occurred when a religion of slaves and women and the poor became a religion of emperors and empires. Constantinian faith requires and assumes the establishment of an official, privileged religion. It comes to believe, in the language of the First Amendment, that its own free exercise depends on such an establishment &#8212; that its free exercise is incompatible with the free exercise of any other religion (or of no religion at all).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve illustrated this before with the religious practice of wearing burkhas &#8212; or, more accurately, the religious practice of requiring the women one controls to wear burkhas. That practice is intrinsically hegemonic, intrinsically constantinian. It cannot be left as a matter of individual freedom or conscience. It&#8217;s not sufficient for those who believe in that practice for only the women of their household or congregation or sect to be clad in burkhas. That still leaves open the possibility that one might be exposed to the immodest displays of the wrists and ankles of other women in the market or the public square. The logic of the burkha requires that all women &#8212; every woman that every man might see &#8212; is fully sheathed so as not to assault the eyes of the faithful.</p>
<p>We see this same burkha-logic at work in that &#8220;gathering storm&#8221; ad produced by the National Organization for [Our Kind and Only Our Kind of] Marriage.</p>
<p>&#8220;Some who advocate for same-sex marriage,&#8221; the intern says, &#8220;have taken the issue far beyond same-sex couples.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;They want to bring the issue into my life,&#8221; says the closeted actor (subversively playing up a bit of a lisp) who can&#8217;t believe he&#8217;s doing this for a paycheck.</p>
<p>&#8220;My freedom will be taken away,&#8221; emotes the young woman.</p>
<p>The script for this ad purportedly has no grievance with others living however they want to live &#8212; but only insofar as their freedom doesn&#8217;t impinge upon our right to live in a world where we never have to see them, or to acknowledge their existence. That &#8220;takes away&#8221; our freedom to live as privileged hegemons. And since we can no longer distinguish between our faith itself and the privileged status of that faith, we perceive this as religious persecution &#8212; as an injustice against us.</p>
<p>Your freedom threatens my freedom to live in a world in which people like you are not free to do the sorts of things you might do with your freedom. &#8220;And I am afraid.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s burkha-logic in a nutshell.</i></p>
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