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	<title>Comments on: MAINE GETS MARRIAGE</title>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/06/11191/comment-page-1#comment-40141</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 01:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJD, that&#039;s a link back. People do it when they write a blog about something they read on BTB.  They post a link to their blog, with a small snippet of their article (which in this case, is in German).   
Your two clues, for future reference, are the fact that the link contains both the title of the blogger&#039;s post + their name(or the name of their blog) and the snippet of their writing is bookended with [...]  
I don&#039;t believe there are any rules stating they have to translate it to english.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJD, that&#8217;s a link back. People do it when they write a blog about something they read on BTB.  They post a link to their blog, with a small snippet of their article (which in this case, is in German).<br />
Your two clues, for future reference, are the fact that the link contains both the title of the blogger&#8217;s post + their name(or the name of their blog) and the snippet of their writing is bookended with [...]<br />
I don&#8217;t believe there are any rules stating they have to translate it to english.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/06/11191/comment-page-1#comment-40132</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Props for the Tolkien references, Duncan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Props for the Tolkien references, Duncan.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/06/11191/comment-page-1#comment-40131</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know why our governor was so timid, in his last term, no less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know why our governor was so timid, in his last term, no less.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/06/11191/comment-page-1#comment-40130</link>
		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven Milverton:

Schreiben auf Englisch hier, bitte.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven Milverton:</p>
<p>Schreiben auf Englisch hier, bitte.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/06/11191/comment-page-1#comment-40129</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;....but Heath has a rather bad reputation in the state dating from his attempts to identify and out gay legislators.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe that&#039;s at least part of the reason he changed the name of his organization from &quot;Christian Civic League of Maine&quot; to &quot;Maine Family Policy Council.&quot; Perhaps the word &quot;Christian&quot; does not play well in focus groups. Actually, most of the major Christian-based anti-gay organizations exclude the word from their names. I wonder why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;.but Heath has a rather bad reputation in the state dating from his attempts to identify and out gay legislators.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s at least part of the reason he changed the name of his organization from &#8220;Christian Civic League of Maine&#8221; to &#8220;Maine Family Policy Council.&#8221; Perhaps the word &#8220;Christian&#8221; does not play well in focus groups. Actually, most of the major Christian-based anti-gay organizations exclude the word from their names. I wonder why.</p>
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		<title>By: Maine gets Marriage &#171; Steven Milverton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maine gets Marriage &#171; Steven Milverton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 19:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aber es ist noch nicht alles in trockenen Tüchern. Die Kleingeister wollen wie üblich Schwierigkeiten machen. Einzelheiten beim Box Turtle Bulletin. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Aber es ist noch nicht alles in trockenen Tüchern. Die Kleingeister wollen wie üblich Schwierigkeiten machen. Einzelheiten beim Box Turtle Bulletin. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/06/11191/comment-page-1#comment-40119</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 19:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the things being said on conservative blogs:

	“It is becoming ever clearer that to most of these voters, marriage doesn’t mean anything, it’s just a routine to go through before divorcing. So they have no qualms about debasing its nature. How sad that the only ones who do care about it do not understand how it works! When will these people understand that it is pointless to have a privilege if everyone else has it?
	“However, polls show that social conservatives can gather sympathy if the public knows of them. We should show our face to the voters, not as activists or politicians, but as ordinary people who want to have a meaningful, exclusive matrimony. It should be us, not our party, at the head of our campaign. We can win any battle with the favour of Ilùvatar almighty!”

Amandil the Faithful, Nùmenórians for Proper Marriage

	“I keep saying that to fight this insidious cultural subversion we must be out and proud with what motivates us, our Christian heritage. Yet, when I ask those running our campaign, they talk of “reaching out” to all faiths and none, that we risk alienating secular voters. Well, alienate them! They do not belong in this nation! Christians in this country -real, not self-declared- are a tiny and persecuted minority and it is time we fought for our rights. By my extrapolations, by 2120 white straight middle-class Christians will be slaves, and by 2400 they will be gone. I know the assumptions are questionable, but it is still cause to worry...
	“I feel far more comfortable with people like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who are open with their hatred of Christianity and their desire to see it go away. Hearing ACLU saying that they are protecting my rights as well just sickens me. Anyone who denies this nation’s Christian principles is an anti-Christian bigot, pure and simple. It is thanks to those principles that America is the richest nation on this world. That is why they persecute us: because we are in power.”

Mohammed Singh, Foundation for the Funding of Fond Fundamentalists

	“These people think it is enough to say that they love each other. It is our job, unpleasant as it is, to tell them that they are getting that love wrong, that they should be doing something procreative instead. It is as my great-grandfather said: Negroes who can work, Negroes who can’t become abolitionists.
	“Yet just as political action is needed, FotF and its allies call on supporters to pray, fast, build temples, sacrifice virgins, whatever. This will just take us the way of the god-fearing Aztecs against the self-believing Conquistadors.”

Stéphan Ours-Froid.

Honestly, you can’t make this up. (Yes, I did, but the point is, you can’t. You don’t have the imagination.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the things being said on conservative blogs:</p>
<p>	“It is becoming ever clearer that to most of these voters, marriage doesn’t mean anything, it’s just a routine to go through before divorcing. So they have no qualms about debasing its nature. How sad that the only ones who do care about it do not understand how it works! When will these people understand that it is pointless to have a privilege if everyone else has it?<br />
	“However, polls show that social conservatives can gather sympathy if the public knows of them. We should show our face to the voters, not as activists or politicians, but as ordinary people who want to have a meaningful, exclusive matrimony. It should be us, not our party, at the head of our campaign. We can win any battle with the favour of Ilùvatar almighty!”</p>
<p>Amandil the Faithful, Nùmenórians for Proper Marriage</p>
<p>	“I keep saying that to fight this insidious cultural subversion we must be out and proud with what motivates us, our Christian heritage. Yet, when I ask those running our campaign, they talk of “reaching out” to all faiths and none, that we risk alienating secular voters. Well, alienate them! They do not belong in this nation! Christians in this country -real, not self-declared- are a tiny and persecuted minority and it is time we fought for our rights. By my extrapolations, by 2120 white straight middle-class Christians will be slaves, and by 2400 they will be gone. I know the assumptions are questionable, but it is still cause to worry&#8230;<br />
	“I feel far more comfortable with people like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who are open with their hatred of Christianity and their desire to see it go away. Hearing ACLU saying that they are protecting my rights as well just sickens me. Anyone who denies this nation’s Christian principles is an anti-Christian bigot, pure and simple. It is thanks to those principles that America is the richest nation on this world. That is why they persecute us: because we are in power.”</p>
<p>Mohammed Singh, Foundation for the Funding of Fond Fundamentalists</p>
<p>	“These people think it is enough to say that they love each other. It is our job, unpleasant as it is, to tell them that they are getting that love wrong, that they should be doing something procreative instead. It is as my great-grandfather said: Negroes who can work, Negroes who can’t become abolitionists.<br />
	“Yet just as political action is needed, FotF and its allies call on supporters to pray, fast, build temples, sacrifice virgins, whatever. This will just take us the way of the god-fearing Aztecs against the self-believing Conquistadors.”</p>
<p>Stéphan Ours-Froid.</p>
<p>Honestly, you can’t make this up. (Yes, I did, but the point is, you can’t. You don’t have the imagination.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Algren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Algren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to my reading this morning (inter-state politics is kind of interesting once you get into it), if they present the signatures between Sept. 4 and Sept. 15, the issue would be placed on the June 2010 ballot. 

http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/news/local/6279275.html

My guess, and that&#039;s all it is, is that they&#039;ll hold the signatures until that eleven day window to ensure six more months of inequality for us and fear mongering for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to my reading this morning (inter-state politics is kind of interesting once you get into it), if they present the signatures between Sept. 4 and Sept. 15, the issue would be placed on the June 2010 ballot. </p>
<p><a href="http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/news/local/6279275.html" rel="nofollow">http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/news/local/6279275.html</a></p>
<p>My guess, and that&#8217;s all it is, is that they&#8217;ll hold the signatures until that eleven day window to ensure six more months of inequality for us and fear mongering for them.</p>
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		<title>By: occono</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/06/11191/comment-page-1#comment-40113</link>
		<dc:creator>occono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, scratch that, Yes would mean Not Vetoing. Sigh. I know people in California who voted Yes who meant No and didn&#039;t understand &quot;Eliminates...&quot; apparently. Hopefully Gay-friendly Mainers read these things more carefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, scratch that, Yes would mean Not Vetoing. Sigh. I know people in California who voted Yes who meant No and didn&#8217;t understand &#8220;Eliminates&#8230;&#8221; apparently. Hopefully Gay-friendly Mainers read these things more carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: occono</title>
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		<dc:creator>occono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes means keep the bill, No means veto it.&quot;

Oh God, why?! So. Stupid. Yes means No to NOT Vetoing Gay Marriage? Why can&#039;t there be some standard for Anti-Gay Initiatives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes means keep the bill, No means veto it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh God, why?! So. Stupid. Yes means No to NOT Vetoing Gay Marriage? Why can&#8217;t there be some standard for Anti-Gay Initiatives?</p>
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