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	<title>Comments on: Steele&#8217;s OBVIOUSLY Stupid Argument Against Marriage</title>
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		<title>By: GOP: Losing the War Against Fabulous &#171; Impulse Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator>GOP: Losing the War Against Fabulous &#171; Impulse Nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That&#8217;s absurd, but I wasn&#8217;t supposed to think about it. H/t. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/16/11469/comment-page-1#comment-40979</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Now all of a sudden I’ve got someone who wasn’t a spouse before, that I had no responsibility for, who is now getting claimed as a spouse that I now have financial responsibility for,”

This is such a bogus argument on several levels.  Namely:

1) Single employees get married, thus costing you more.  

2) Most employer based insurance now does not cover the cost of spouses.  The employee pays a huge premium over single employees to have coverage for spouses.  

3) If gays and lesbians really make up the very small percentage of the population conservatives claim (as little as 1% by their claims) the effect of gay marriage will be extremely negligible.  Is this a tacit admission that those lowball numbers are bogus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Now all of a sudden I’ve got someone who wasn’t a spouse before, that I had no responsibility for, who is now getting claimed as a spouse that I now have financial responsibility for,”</p>
<p>This is such a bogus argument on several levels.  Namely:</p>
<p>1) Single employees get married, thus costing you more.  </p>
<p>2) Most employer based insurance now does not cover the cost of spouses.  The employee pays a huge premium over single employees to have coverage for spouses.  </p>
<p>3) If gays and lesbians really make up the very small percentage of the population conservatives claim (as little as 1% by their claims) the effect of gay marriage will be extremely negligible.  Is this a tacit admission that those lowball numbers are bogus?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2BOMPKhPwA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keith Olbermann&#039;s WTF!?!&lt;/a&gt; helps to nail it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2BOMPKhPwA" rel="nofollow">Keith Olbermann&#8217;s WTF!?!</a> helps to nail it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually anshiii, he knows his party principles very well. Specifically the part about demonizing the opposition.

I agree with the limited government principle wholeheartedly, but trust me- the belief in &quot;limited government&quot; got thrown out by the GOP (&quot;God&#039;s Own Party&quot; as I now call them) a long time ago. Don&#039;t be fooled by the politicians who are oh-so-conveniently remembering what it means just because there&#039;s a Democrat in the White House all of a sudden (and who will conveniently forget again if/when they win the WH back).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually anshiii, he knows his party principles very well. Specifically the part about demonizing the opposition.</p>
<p>I agree with the limited government principle wholeheartedly, but trust me- the belief in &#8220;limited government&#8221; got thrown out by the GOP (&#8220;God&#8217;s Own Party&#8221; as I now call them) a long time ago. Don&#8217;t be fooled by the politicians who are oh-so-conveniently remembering what it means just because there&#8217;s a Democrat in the White House all of a sudden (and who will conveniently forget again if/when they win the WH back).</p>
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		<title>By: anshiii</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/16/11469/comment-page-1#comment-40888</link>
		<dc:creator>anshiii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 01:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*
The REAL republican argument should be...
The more tools we give people to take care of themselves, the less government has to do it.
f**king moron. Doesn&#039;t even know his own party &quot;principles&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*<br />
The REAL republican argument should be&#8230;<br />
The more tools we give people to take care of themselves, the less government has to do it.<br />
f**king moron. Doesn&#8217;t even know his own party &#8220;principles&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swampfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stupidity of our system is that we feel that we have to get health insurance through our employer and the premiums increase radically as you age.  And, yes, Steele&#039;s argument is insulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stupidity of our system is that we feel that we have to get health insurance through our employer and the premiums increase radically as you age.  And, yes, Steele&#8217;s argument is insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually find the new argument considerably more offensive than the old one.

I would much rather someone tell me that they oppose letting me marry because they mistakenly believe that CIVIL marriage is a matter of religious belief than to hear someone say that I, a tax paying, wage earning citizen should not be eligible to receive some of the benefits that my work and taxes paid for because doing so might cost those who already have access to ALL the benefits another dime or two.  Especially when he is trying to cut costs by denying 1% - 2% of the population (the likely percentage of the general population that is gay and interested in marrying) access to the benefits that they pay equally to fund while not even considering cutting costs by addressing the segment of the population who account for 99.9% of the actual current costs of these benefits.

I much prefer the old, cynical, &quot;for the Bible tells me so&quot; argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually find the new argument considerably more offensive than the old one.</p>
<p>I would much rather someone tell me that they oppose letting me marry because they mistakenly believe that CIVIL marriage is a matter of religious belief than to hear someone say that I, a tax paying, wage earning citizen should not be eligible to receive some of the benefits that my work and taxes paid for because doing so might cost those who already have access to ALL the benefits another dime or two.  Especially when he is trying to cut costs by denying 1% &#8211; 2% of the population (the likely percentage of the general population that is gay and interested in marrying) access to the benefits that they pay equally to fund while not even considering cutting costs by addressing the segment of the population who account for 99.9% of the actual current costs of these benefits.</p>
<p>I much prefer the old, cynical, &#8220;for the Bible tells me so&#8221; argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swampfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 58 and self-employed.  I have a health insurance policy that doesn&#039;t pay for doctor office visits and a $2,500 deductible.  My premium has ballooned to $670 per month .............. frankly, I don&#039;t know if I can keep my policy until I turn 65.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 58 and self-employed.  I have a health insurance policy that doesn&#8217;t pay for doctor office visits and a $2,500 deductible.  My premium has ballooned to $670 per month &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. frankly, I don&#8217;t know if I can keep my policy until I turn 65.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Gore</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/05/16/11469/comment-page-1#comment-40877</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 20:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what is actually being said is that marriage is going to be a consideration of employment. That employers would prefer to hire single people to save on health care costs, especially in government positions  because they frequently provide health care through retirement. Does anyone else see how this would help college graduates find a job, therefore boosting the economy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is actually being said is that marriage is going to be a consideration of employment. That employers would prefer to hire single people to save on health care costs, especially in government positions  because they frequently provide health care through retirement. Does anyone else see how this would help college graduates find a job, therefore boosting the economy?</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 18:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t Steele just demand that all homosexuals be denied benefits? That would save companies even more money, wouldn&#039;t it? Truly, the Republican party has no soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t Steele just demand that all homosexuals be denied benefits? That would save companies even more money, wouldn&#8217;t it? Truly, the Republican party has no soul.</p>
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