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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Hamby you&#039;re deluded.  There is no god, when you die that&#039;ll be it, there will be no heaven and no hell and there is no such thing as a soul.  I understand that your fantasy that you&#039;ll live eternally in joy while those you hate are tortured eternally gives you a cheap thrill, but that won&#039;t change the reality that your life is finite and your hopeful threats are empty and of no concern to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Hamby you&#8217;re deluded.  There is no god, when you die that&#8217;ll be it, there will be no heaven and no hell and there is no such thing as a soul.  I understand that your fantasy that you&#8217;ll live eternally in joy while those you hate are tortured eternally gives you a cheap thrill, but that won&#8217;t change the reality that your life is finite and your hopeful threats are empty and of no concern to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan provided one example for marriage: Adam and Eve.

According to the Genesis story, Eve was created by God from Adam&#039;s flesh.  She was, if you will, cloned and contained the same genetic code.  

Adam and Eve lived outside the sanction of a sacrament or the recognition of a civil government.  They were absent even the concept of vows of exclusivity - when there&#039;s only one other human, how can one break such a vow.

And, of course, in the Genesis story Adam and Eve raised their children (that is, those who were neither murderer nor victim) to engage in incest with each other.

This is the model that Alan presented for us to emulate. 

...

Have you ever noticed that so many who claim to &quot;study&quot; the Bible actually don&#039;t mean &quot;study&quot; at all.  What they mean is read it in English and look for confirmation of their own preconceptions and bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan provided one example for marriage: Adam and Eve.</p>
<p>According to the Genesis story, Eve was created by God from Adam&#8217;s flesh.  She was, if you will, cloned and contained the same genetic code.  </p>
<p>Adam and Eve lived outside the sanction of a sacrament or the recognition of a civil government.  They were absent even the concept of vows of exclusivity &#8211; when there&#8217;s only one other human, how can one break such a vow.</p>
<p>And, of course, in the Genesis story Adam and Eve raised their children (that is, those who were neither murderer nor victim) to engage in incest with each other.</p>
<p>This is the model that Alan presented for us to emulate. </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Have you ever noticed that so many who claim to &#8220;study&#8221; the Bible actually don&#8217;t mean &#8220;study&#8221; at all.  What they mean is read it in English and look for confirmation of their own preconceptions and bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Hamby,

You have made your condescension known. You have done the bidding of your god who wrote your thirteen different books on your computers and have done  your duty. You may go now. You are now free to &quot;shake the dust from your feet,&quot; as at least one of your thirteen different books are liable to put it. Your sanctimonious, self-righteous attitude is not welcome here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Hamby,</p>
<p>You have made your condescension known. You have done the bidding of your god who wrote your thirteen different books on your computers and have done  your duty. You may go now. You are now free to &#8220;shake the dust from your feet,&#8221; as at least one of your thirteen different books are liable to put it. Your sanctimonious, self-righteous attitude is not welcome here.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Hamby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Hamby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy Kincaid
This info if available in your own bible and all over the net if you will just stop and look and I&#039;m sure that if I did post it, which would be rather large going from old to new testament it would require a number of post&#039;s. A helpful idea for you, start with Adam and Eve and read what is said about them. This also shows how mankind has modernized the concept of the “husband is head of house” into once she say’s “I DO” she belongs to me. That’s another example of how wrong things get when mankind decides to claim it’s ok to change the word of God.

Emily K
No, I have &quot;won&quot; nothing. There is nothing for me to win. I do feel I need to tell the truth and speak out against this idea that &quot;sin&quot; is ok because we want it to be. History is full of such false claims and also, in this case believers are commanded to speak out. For a long time we (Christians) have sat silent and let these false claims grow in fear for the very reaction we have read here today. I&#039;m not here to win, I have nothing to win. God commands I speak his word and this is what I am doing. Read the New Testament and you would know this is truth, if one person read&#039;s this and start&#039;s to read a bible to find out the truth then God wins a soul. I win nothing.

cowboy
Study...in my case it is to study a lot and if you do so you will find out how and why some wrongly claim, as is done here that the verse’s quoted above don’t actually mean what they want it to say. If you read them in context the Bible condemns same sex relationships. It shows the effort to learn, much as anyone who wants to learn mechanics would study many types of work skills. So, how many bibles do you own and how often do you study them yourself to learn what they do and don’t say? Regarding the reference to “sanctimonious”. 
making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc.: They resented his sanctimonious comments on immorality in America. 
I don’t fit the term since I am not doing this to satisfy any want or need to feel better about myself. And ironically the last line actually again proves my original point to attack me the messenger rather than the message. You have no idea of my life so you can’t justify the claim of any of this being hypocritical. I&#039;m doing this for truth, love and as God has commanded of me. None of what I&#039;ve said has been attack, anger, hate or untrue. Yet a number of the comments made from others has been. None of it put&#039;s any glory or even “pat&#039;s me on the back” for trying to point out the fact that homosexuality is sin and sin is death and that has been the case since the beginning. Just because as one other put it short time ago, so many now want to “tolerate: it doesn’t make it ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy Kincaid<br />
This info if available in your own bible and all over the net if you will just stop and look and I&#8217;m sure that if I did post it, which would be rather large going from old to new testament it would require a number of post&#8217;s. A helpful idea for you, start with Adam and Eve and read what is said about them. This also shows how mankind has modernized the concept of the “husband is head of house” into once she say’s “I DO” she belongs to me. That’s another example of how wrong things get when mankind decides to claim it’s ok to change the word of God.</p>
<p>Emily K<br />
No, I have &#8220;won&#8221; nothing. There is nothing for me to win. I do feel I need to tell the truth and speak out against this idea that &#8220;sin&#8221; is ok because we want it to be. History is full of such false claims and also, in this case believers are commanded to speak out. For a long time we (Christians) have sat silent and let these false claims grow in fear for the very reaction we have read here today. I&#8217;m not here to win, I have nothing to win. God commands I speak his word and this is what I am doing. Read the New Testament and you would know this is truth, if one person read&#8217;s this and start&#8217;s to read a bible to find out the truth then God wins a soul. I win nothing.</p>
<p>cowboy<br />
Study&#8230;in my case it is to study a lot and if you do so you will find out how and why some wrongly claim, as is done here that the verse’s quoted above don’t actually mean what they want it to say. If you read them in context the Bible condemns same sex relationships. It shows the effort to learn, much as anyone who wants to learn mechanics would study many types of work skills. So, how many bibles do you own and how often do you study them yourself to learn what they do and don’t say? Regarding the reference to “sanctimonious”.<br />
making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc.: They resented his sanctimonious comments on immorality in America.<br />
I don’t fit the term since I am not doing this to satisfy any want or need to feel better about myself. And ironically the last line actually again proves my original point to attack me the messenger rather than the message. You have no idea of my life so you can’t justify the claim of any of this being hypocritical. I&#8217;m doing this for truth, love and as God has commanded of me. None of what I&#8217;ve said has been attack, anger, hate or untrue. Yet a number of the comments made from others has been. None of it put&#8217;s any glory or even “pat&#8217;s me on the back” for trying to point out the fact that homosexuality is sin and sin is death and that has been the case since the beginning. Just because as one other put it short time ago, so many now want to “tolerate: it doesn’t make it ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Hamby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Hamby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: I found this website looking for info on the subject for my study and posted a different opinion than the common user of the site. Beleave what you will but rest assured that in the judgement you will be called on to answer for your sin. That will include the point that the truth of God&#039;s word was posted for you and you didnt go study it yourself to find out if mankind was wrong. Which mankind has shown a history of doing so for thousands of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: I found this website looking for info on the subject for my study and posted a different opinion than the common user of the site. Beleave what you will but rest assured that in the judgement you will be called on to answer for your sin. That will include the point that the truth of God&#8217;s word was posted for you and you didnt go study it yourself to find out if mankind was wrong. Which mankind has shown a history of doing so for thousands of years.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Hamby,

The number of Bibles on one’s computer correlates to what now?   

It doesn’t make you better than anyone here.  Someone needs to point you towards the dictionary and look up the word:  sanctimonious.   Really.   Look it up.   You fit the definition precisely…with any number of dictionaries I have on my computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Hamby,</p>
<p>The number of Bibles on one’s computer correlates to what now?   </p>
<p>It doesn’t make you better than anyone here.  Someone needs to point you towards the dictionary and look up the word:  sanctimonious.   Really.   Look it up.   You fit the definition precisely…with any number of dictionaries I have on my computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say Alan Hamby has already &quot;won,&quot; he&#039;s come to this gay site and preached his &quot;gospel.&quot; I suggest that now that his points are &quot;proven,&quot; he need only leave us alone to &quot;find&quot; our &quot;lost souls.&quot; Any other reason to remain on this gay website would be a mystery to me, unless he wants to spend more time around gays and gay-supportive people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say Alan Hamby has already &#8220;won,&#8221; he&#8217;s come to this gay site and preached his &#8220;gospel.&#8221; I suggest that now that his points are &#8220;proven,&#8221; he need only leave us alone to &#8220;find&#8221; our &#8220;lost souls.&#8221; Any other reason to remain on this gay website would be a mystery to me, unless he wants to spend more time around gays and gay-supportive people.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan

&lt;blockquote&gt; Do you not note the clear examples that all relationsships from start to end are one male and one female in marriage. All others are condmened.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please provide three examples of Biblican heros whose relationsips consisted of one male and one female in marriage in the way that we understand marriage to be.  If they all were this way, surely it won&#039;t be difficult to come up with three Biblical heroes whose relationships we should emulate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan</p>
<blockquote><p> Do you not note the clear examples that all relationsships from start to end are one male and one female in marriage. All others are condmened.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please provide three examples of Biblican heros whose relationsips consisted of one male and one female in marriage in the way that we understand marriage to be.  If they all were this way, surely it won&#8217;t be difficult to come up with three Biblical heroes whose relationships we should emulate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Hamby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Hamby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya Lynn, your comment is as lost as your soul. And you prove my point. 

Jim. I’ve read the verses you refer to often over my 45+ years, studying the false claims of those who want to read into the word the OK to be gay, (and other sins) just as I’ve researched the error’s of those hoping they can hold on to Christ and reach the world by saying it’s ok, often based on the idea that this is a new age and that was an old one. All of that wont “fly” at the judgment. Remember the facts as stated .one faith, one hope, one baptism,…without them your lost. You want to add to and take away from to make homosexuals ok but don’t read the whole bible and take the word as the law that it is. Do you not note the clear examples that all relationsships from start to end are one male and one female in marriage. All others are condmened.

Regan DuCasse, your comment is as lost as your soul. And you prove my point.

Timothy (TRiG) I never said anything about shooting/attacking anyone, I find it hypocritical that you want to ignore the thousands of year’s that “Gay” has been condemned and only look at those standing up for the truth now as now being attackers since the new age it’s ok. Well, sadly for those who think so it’s not. Nothing new under the sun.

Ben in Oakland, sorry for your feeling that way but God commands those who believe in him to stand up for the truth and I’m just getting started. I will speak where the Bible Speaks and remain silent where the bible is silent. You will not silence me.

Ben in Oakland, not true, only one vote counts, God’s and his is final and has been for thousands of year’s, considering that the number was reversed substantially in the past, further, if you read the bible you can see this same pattern in man and the bible never get’s old or goes out of date. Consider this, the same claims those “homosexuals” and pro supporters has been used to support many crimes in the name of god and man. That includes the child molesters murderer’s, rapists…all can now use these claims to make there own feelings “law”.   
I don’t need someone’s idea of Christianity or God, I have 13 versions of the bible on every computer I own and study it daily. 

Can you say the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya Lynn, your comment is as lost as your soul. And you prove my point. </p>
<p>Jim. I’ve read the verses you refer to often over my 45+ years, studying the false claims of those who want to read into the word the OK to be gay, (and other sins) just as I’ve researched the error’s of those hoping they can hold on to Christ and reach the world by saying it’s ok, often based on the idea that this is a new age and that was an old one. All of that wont “fly” at the judgment. Remember the facts as stated .one faith, one hope, one baptism,…without them your lost. You want to add to and take away from to make homosexuals ok but don’t read the whole bible and take the word as the law that it is. Do you not note the clear examples that all relationsships from start to end are one male and one female in marriage. All others are condmened.</p>
<p>Regan DuCasse, your comment is as lost as your soul. And you prove my point.</p>
<p>Timothy (TRiG) I never said anything about shooting/attacking anyone, I find it hypocritical that you want to ignore the thousands of year’s that “Gay” has been condemned and only look at those standing up for the truth now as now being attackers since the new age it’s ok. Well, sadly for those who think so it’s not. Nothing new under the sun.</p>
<p>Ben in Oakland, sorry for your feeling that way but God commands those who believe in him to stand up for the truth and I’m just getting started. I will speak where the Bible Speaks and remain silent where the bible is silent. You will not silence me.</p>
<p>Ben in Oakland, not true, only one vote counts, God’s and his is final and has been for thousands of year’s, considering that the number was reversed substantially in the past, further, if you read the bible you can see this same pattern in man and the bible never get’s old or goes out of date. Consider this, the same claims those “homosexuals” and pro supporters has been used to support many crimes in the name of god and man. That includes the child molesters murderer’s, rapists…all can now use these claims to make there own feelings “law”.<br />
I don’t need someone’s idea of Christianity or God, I have 13 versions of the bible on every computer I own and study it daily. </p>
<p>Can you say the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alan, i&#039;m in a pissy mood this morning. too much good wine with good friends last night.

Here&#039;s a link you should visit: http://joemygod.blogspot.com/search/label/This%20Week%20In%20Holy%20Crimes

It&#039;s all about what you good (mostly) Christians are doing this week. After you have perused a few weeks of this stuff-- something like 9 or 10 a week, week after week, for months and months, maybe you can find some passages in your book that are relevant. 

Start with the ones beginning &quot;Scribes. Pharisees. Hypocrites.&quot; I would then suggest you move on to the ones where someone who ought to know tells other people who clearly don&#039;t that it might be better to mind your own business and the welfare of your own soul instead of worrying about those of other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alan, i&#8217;m in a pissy mood this morning. too much good wine with good friends last night.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link you should visit: <a href="http://joemygod.blogspot.com/search/label/This%20Week%20In%20Holy%20Crimes" rel="nofollow">http://joemygod.blogspot.com/search/label/This%20Week%20In%20Holy%20Crimes</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about what you good (mostly) Christians are doing this week. After you have perused a few weeks of this stuff&#8211; something like 9 or 10 a week, week after week, for months and months, maybe you can find some passages in your book that are relevant. </p>
<p>Start with the ones beginning &#8220;Scribes. Pharisees. Hypocrites.&#8221; I would then suggest you move on to the ones where someone who ought to know tells other people who clearly don&#8217;t that it might be better to mind your own business and the welfare of your own soul instead of worrying about those of other people.</p>
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