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	<title>Comments on: Carrie Prejean Loses her Crown</title>
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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy (TRiG)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy (TRiG)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, people. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.halogenlife.com/stories/2613-disgraced-beauty-queen-carrie-prejean-to-pen-book&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;She&#039;s writing a book.&lt;/a&gt;

Anyone planning to buy it?

TRiG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, people. <a href="http://www.halogenlife.com/stories/2613-disgraced-beauty-queen-carrie-prejean-to-pen-book" rel="nofollow">She&#8217;s writing a book.</a></p>
<p>Anyone planning to buy it?</p>
<p>TRiG.</p>
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		<title>By: staci</title>
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		<dc:creator>staci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya Lynn,

I agree with your comments.  My spouse and I no longer associate with people or relatives who say that they love us or claim to be our friends and yet do not support our marriage.  We surround ourselves with true friends and family that really do support us and keep away from the hypocrites and bigots. We just will no longer tolerate people who smile at our faces and vote against us behind our backs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya Lynn,</p>
<p>I agree with your comments.  My spouse and I no longer associate with people or relatives who say that they love us or claim to be our friends and yet do not support our marriage.  We surround ourselves with true friends and family that really do support us and keep away from the hypocrites and bigots. We just will no longer tolerate people who smile at our faces and vote against us behind our backs.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I&#039;d like to make a partial retraction.  I&#039;d agree that people who oppose equal marriage aren&#039;t hate-&lt;i&gt;filled&lt;/i&gt; - that would imply that they are entirely consumed by hatred and I don&#039;t think that is the case.  At least a small part of them  is motivated by hatred, however to sum up their being as hate-filled wouldn&#039;t be accurate.  People are more complex and ambivalent than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I&#8217;d like to make a partial retraction.  I&#8217;d agree that people who oppose equal marriage aren&#8217;t hate-<i>filled</i> &#8211; that would imply that they are entirely consumed by hatred and I don&#8217;t think that is the case.  At least a small part of them  is motivated by hatred, however to sum up their being as hate-filled wouldn&#8217;t be accurate.  People are more complex and ambivalent than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/10/11981/comment-page-1#comment-42501</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy said &quot;I categorically reject your assertion that the majority of persons who do not yet favor legal same-sex marriages are “trying to destroy gay relationships and families.”&quot;.

I never said the majority were trying to do so, I said many were.  Whether or not that is the majority I choose not to speculate.

Timothy said &quot;I also categorically reject your assertion that the majority of persons who do not yet favor legal same-sex marriages are hate-filled or even motivated by hatred.&quot;.

You&#039;re entitled to your opinion, your opinion however won&#039;t change reality.

Alex said &quot;I don’t know you or your circumstances. For all I know, your family may genuinely hate you. I really hope that’s not the case. But even if they do, that’s no excuse to make unfair generalizations about the rest of the “traditional marriage” community.&quot;

Oh, I&#039;d never make unfair generalizations abou the &quot;traditional marriage&quot; community Alex.  People often have mixed emotions about their family, they may love some aspects of them and hate other aspects.  To deny that is to deny reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy said &#8220;I categorically reject your assertion that the majority of persons who do not yet favor legal same-sex marriages are “trying to destroy gay relationships and families.”&#8221;.</p>
<p>I never said the majority were trying to do so, I said many were.  Whether or not that is the majority I choose not to speculate.</p>
<p>Timothy said &#8220;I also categorically reject your assertion that the majority of persons who do not yet favor legal same-sex marriages are hate-filled or even motivated by hatred.&#8221;.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re entitled to your opinion, your opinion however won&#8217;t change reality.</p>
<p>Alex said &#8220;I don’t know you or your circumstances. For all I know, your family may genuinely hate you. I really hope that’s not the case. But even if they do, that’s no excuse to make unfair generalizations about the rest of the “traditional marriage” community.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;d never make unfair generalizations abou the &#8220;traditional marriage&#8221; community Alex.  People often have mixed emotions about their family, they may love some aspects of them and hate other aspects.  To deny that is to deny reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya Lynn,

You seem to harbor a lot of anger and resentment toward your family because they are anti-gay.  I get that.  My family opposes marriage equality too and it sucks.  I feel betrayed by the very people who I thought would support me unconditionally.  But at the same time, I don&#039;t believe for one second that they hate me or wish to destroy my relationship with my partner.

I don&#039;t know you or your circumstances.  For all I know, your family may genuinely hate you.  I really hope that&#039;s not the case.  But even if they do, that&#039;s no excuse to make unfair generalizations about the rest of the &quot;traditional marriage&quot; community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya Lynn,</p>
<p>You seem to harbor a lot of anger and resentment toward your family because they are anti-gay.  I get that.  My family opposes marriage equality too and it sucks.  I feel betrayed by the very people who I thought would support me unconditionally.  But at the same time, I don&#8217;t believe for one second that they hate me or wish to destroy my relationship with my partner.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know you or your circumstances.  For all I know, your family may genuinely hate you.  I really hope that&#8217;s not the case.  But even if they do, that&#8217;s no excuse to make unfair generalizations about the rest of the &#8220;traditional marriage&#8221; community.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya Lynn,

I categorically reject your assertion that the majority of persons who do not yet favor legal same-sex marriages are &quot;trying to destroy gay relationships and families.&quot;

I also categorically reject your assertion that the majority of persons who do not yet favor legal same-sex marriages are hate-filled or even motivated by hatred.

You may believe this to be true but I am confident that you speak for a very very tiny percentage of gay people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya Lynn,</p>
<p>I categorically reject your assertion that the majority of persons who do not yet favor legal same-sex marriages are &#8220;trying to destroy gay relationships and families.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also categorically reject your assertion that the majority of persons who do not yet favor legal same-sex marriages are hate-filled or even motivated by hatred.</p>
<p>You may believe this to be true but I am confident that you speak for a very very tiny percentage of gay people.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/10/11981/comment-page-1#comment-42439</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, the difference is that when conservatives say gays are &quot;anti-family&quot; or that they &quot;hate heterosexual marriage&quot; they are demonstrably wrong.  No gays are trying to prevent heterosexuals from marrying or trying to break up anyone&#039;s family.  On the other hand those opponents of marriage equality ARE trying to prevent gays from marrying and ARE in many cases trying to destroy gay relationships and families.  That&#039;s why its valid to say the latter are hate-filled, but not the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, the difference is that when conservatives say gays are &#8220;anti-family&#8221; or that they &#8220;hate heterosexual marriage&#8221; they are demonstrably wrong.  No gays are trying to prevent heterosexuals from marrying or trying to break up anyone&#8217;s family.  On the other hand those opponents of marriage equality ARE trying to prevent gays from marrying and ARE in many cases trying to destroy gay relationships and families.  That&#8217;s why its valid to say the latter are hate-filled, but not the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya Lynn,

I disagree.  While there are certainly a lot of people out there who genuinely hate us (the Pat Robertsons and Maggie Gallaghers of the world, etc.), I would venture to say that the average opponent of marriage equality does not.  The vast majority of conservative Christians I have known throughout my life, including my own Southern Baptist parents, are extremely decent people and have nothing but good intentions.

Hearing someone say that all opponents of marriage equality hate gay people reminds me of conservatives who say that all gay activists are &quot;anti-family&quot; and that we &quot;hate heterosexual marriage.&quot;  Both statements are unfair and untrue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya Lynn,</p>
<p>I disagree.  While there are certainly a lot of people out there who genuinely hate us (the Pat Robertsons and Maggie Gallaghers of the world, etc.), I would venture to say that the average opponent of marriage equality does not.  The vast majority of conservative Christians I have known throughout my life, including my own Southern Baptist parents, are extremely decent people and have nothing but good intentions.</p>
<p>Hearing someone say that all opponents of marriage equality hate gay people reminds me of conservatives who say that all gay activists are &#8220;anti-family&#8221; and that we &#8220;hate heterosexual marriage.&#8221;  Both statements are unfair and untrue.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin said &quot;What I’m trying to figure out is, why does being against gay marriage mean being against gay rights?&quot;.

It boggles my mind that you would even ask that question, the answer should be obvious.  If you&#039;re against equal marriage you&#039;re obviously against that gay right and against full rights for gays - case closed.

Justin said &quot;I’m guessing that most of what you see of your opponents comes from news channels and the other side of the picket line.&quot;.

Wrong.  My family opposes equal marriage and I was quite surprised by that, I thought more of them then that.  Unlike you I think this reflects very poorly on them and they&#039;ve lost my respect.  In fact I have very little to do with them now.  I certainly no longer think of them as good people. 

Justin said &quot;Why are all people not for gay marriage lumped into a group that hates gay people?&quot;.

The same reason serial murderers and car thieves are lumped into a group that is criminal.  You can make the valid argument that some of the people who oppose gay marriage aren&#039;t as bad as others who oppose every gay right and that would be valid, but it isn&#039;t any more valid to put them in a non-hating category than it is to say a thief isn&#039;t a criminal because he&#039;s a &quot;good person&quot; unlike the serial killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin said &#8220;What I’m trying to figure out is, why does being against gay marriage mean being against gay rights?&#8221;.</p>
<p>It boggles my mind that you would even ask that question, the answer should be obvious.  If you&#8217;re against equal marriage you&#8217;re obviously against that gay right and against full rights for gays &#8211; case closed.</p>
<p>Justin said &#8220;I’m guessing that most of what you see of your opponents comes from news channels and the other side of the picket line.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Wrong.  My family opposes equal marriage and I was quite surprised by that, I thought more of them then that.  Unlike you I think this reflects very poorly on them and they&#8217;ve lost my respect.  In fact I have very little to do with them now.  I certainly no longer think of them as good people. </p>
<p>Justin said &#8220;Why are all people not for gay marriage lumped into a group that hates gay people?&#8221;.</p>
<p>The same reason serial murderers and car thieves are lumped into a group that is criminal.  You can make the valid argument that some of the people who oppose gay marriage aren&#8217;t as bad as others who oppose every gay right and that would be valid, but it isn&#8217;t any more valid to put them in a non-hating category than it is to say a thief isn&#8217;t a criminal because he&#8217;s a &#8220;good person&#8221; unlike the serial killer.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To finish my thought, I&#039;m sure her skipping out on these things cost The Donald a pretty penny in lost revenue and breach-of-contract fines and that&#039;s why she was fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To finish my thought, I&#8217;m sure her skipping out on these things cost The Donald a pretty penny in lost revenue and breach-of-contract fines and that&#8217;s why she was fired.</p>
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