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	<title>Comments on: CA Attorney General Brief: Prop 8 Violates 14th Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regan-- ang on. as always, a thoughtful and complete response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regan&#8211; ang on. as always, a thoughtful and complete response.</p>
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		<title>By: FlexSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlexSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Support sex, and gender education for children! Religious zealots support lies, and homophobia, as sex eduction.</description>
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		<title>By: CA Attorney General says Prop 8 Violates 14th Amendment &#124; The Cali Garmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>CA Attorney General says Prop 8 Violates 14th Amendment &#124; The Cali Garmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Those Wacky Heterosexuals &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; Calif. Atty Gen&#8217;l Admits Prop 8 Violates 14th Amendment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Those Wacky Heterosexuals &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; Calif. Atty Gen&#8217;l Admits Prop 8 Violates 14th Amendment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Burroway Jun 13 2009 Full Original Post, Box Turtle [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This goes to show that this isn&#039;t just about marriage, but EVERYTHING.

    Once the opposition posits gay people as requiring the status of children, but doesn&#039;t give this same group the capability, right or respect to respond with emotions and feeling that any normal human would, we know what is in store and we&#039;ve seen other citizens treated in this same manner.

    This is absolutely a civil rights issue.
This is not defense of sexuality, but defense of one&#039;s HUMANITY.
Which IS what our nation&#039;s creed and mission statement is about and we SHOULD hold it accountable.

    And when the opposition insists it IS about defense of a sexuality they don&#039;t understand, they fail to admit or acknowledge that when all civil rights are lost BECAUSE of sexual orientation, not any OTHER reason, then of course THEY define gay people by sex and nothing else.

    It&#039;s exhausting and so unfair to even have to defend ANYTHING on so basic a level.
But this is something that black folks and women and Jews know well.
Because the opposition takes so much away for so superficial a reason, and WE defend the one thing that shouldn&#039;t have to be defended for civil rights in the first place.

    History is already revealing how right we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This goes to show that this isn&#8217;t just about marriage, but EVERYTHING.</p>
<p>    Once the opposition posits gay people as requiring the status of children, but doesn&#8217;t give this same group the capability, right or respect to respond with emotions and feeling that any normal human would, we know what is in store and we&#8217;ve seen other citizens treated in this same manner.</p>
<p>    This is absolutely a civil rights issue.<br />
This is not defense of sexuality, but defense of one&#8217;s HUMANITY.<br />
Which IS what our nation&#8217;s creed and mission statement is about and we SHOULD hold it accountable.</p>
<p>    And when the opposition insists it IS about defense of a sexuality they don&#8217;t understand, they fail to admit or acknowledge that when all civil rights are lost BECAUSE of sexual orientation, not any OTHER reason, then of course THEY define gay people by sex and nothing else.</p>
<p>    It&#8217;s exhausting and so unfair to even have to defend ANYTHING on so basic a level.<br />
But this is something that black folks and women and Jews know well.<br />
Because the opposition takes so much away for so superficial a reason, and WE defend the one thing that shouldn&#8217;t have to be defended for civil rights in the first place.</p>
<p>    History is already revealing how right we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEx_aPBZtsE

This the link to the Larry King segment with Ted Olson and David Boies who were opponents in the Bush-Gore ballot dispute.  There is heated discussion around as to whether this is &quot;the right time&quot; to bring this before SCOTUS.  These two make good points for not waiting and clear reasons why it must be addressed at the federal level, not just state-by-state</description>
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<p>This the link to the Larry King segment with Ted Olson and David Boies who were opponents in the Bush-Gore ballot dispute.  There is heated discussion around as to whether this is &#8220;the right time&#8221; to bring this before SCOTUS.  These two make good points for not waiting and clear reasons why it must be addressed at the federal level, not just state-by-state</p>
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		<title>By: John B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this is the David Boies that represented Al Gore and took on Microsoft, not the David Boies that defended Fastow and worked with the SCO Group. I prefer the anti-trust Boies, not the big-business shill Boies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this is the David Boies that represented Al Gore and took on Microsoft, not the David Boies that defended Fastow and worked with the SCO Group. I prefer the anti-trust Boies, not the big-business shill Boies.</p>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama DOJ to same-sex couples: Go fuck yourselves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama DOJ to same-sex couples: Go fuck yourselves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Turtle Bulletin has a roundup of blogospheric reactions, and a telling comparison to a brief written by an attorney general who really is an advocate for queer rights; Dale [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is historically significant to note that yesterday (Jun 12) was the 42nd anniversary of SCOTUS decision in Loving v. Virginia. Here is a portion of the statement made by Mildred Loving on the 40th anniversary in 2007:
&quot;Surrounded as I am now by wonderful children and grandchildren, not a day goes by that I don&#039;t think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the &quot;wrong kind of person&quot; for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people&#039;s religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people&#039;s civil rights. 
I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard&#039;s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That&#039;s what Loving, and loving, are all about.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is historically significant to note that yesterday (Jun 12) was the 42nd anniversary of SCOTUS decision in Loving v. Virginia. Here is a portion of the statement made by Mildred Loving on the 40th anniversary in 2007:<br />
&#8220;Surrounded as I am now by wonderful children and grandchildren, not a day goes by that I don&#8217;t think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the &#8220;wrong kind of person&#8221; for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people&#8217;s religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people&#8217;s civil rights.<br />
I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard&#8217;s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That&#8217;s what Loving, and loving, are all about.&#8221;</p>
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