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	<title>Comments on: Lesbian Couple Denied Visitation and Consultation At California Hospital</title>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So a health care provider I&#039;ve paid for with my insurance and cash, can and might, based on their religious beliefs, let me die?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So a health care provider I&#8217;ve paid for with my insurance and cash, can and might, based on their religious beliefs, let me die?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/15/11911/comment-page-1#comment-42747</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The couple are not legal domestic partners, but Rowe has the legal authority to make medical decisions for Orbin, as well as power of attorney. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps they would have a stronger complaint had they opted to be legal domestic partners.

As it is, I can understand the confusion of the hospital.  I wonder if they might have had the same treatment had a man tried to present papers for his girlfriend.

It&#039;s still likely discrimination, but perhaps less aggregious than if their relationship was legally protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The couple are not legal domestic partners, but Rowe has the legal authority to make medical decisions for Orbin, as well as power of attorney. </p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps they would have a stronger complaint had they opted to be legal domestic partners.</p>
<p>As it is, I can understand the confusion of the hospital.  I wonder if they might have had the same treatment had a man tried to present papers for his girlfriend.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still likely discrimination, but perhaps less aggregious than if their relationship was legally protected.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, it would make a good point to put in an ad next time a ballot measure comes around, maybe as a not-so-funny parody of the &quot;Gathering Storm&quot; ad.

Anyway, I refuse to believe that the nurses and paramedics didn&#039;t know what they were doing. Considering it was Central California, I&#039;m willing to bet they discriminated against these women on purpose. And they felt obligated to do it because it&#039;s &quot;what they believe.&quot;
Well, screw them and their &quot;faith.&quot;

It&#039;s funny that the same arguments that these people used against us (&quot;special rights,&quot; &quot;they should keep it to themselves,&quot; &quot;they&#039;re shoving their lifestyle down our throats&quot;) could reasonably be used against them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, it would make a good point to put in an ad next time a ballot measure comes around, maybe as a not-so-funny parody of the &#8220;Gathering Storm&#8221; ad.</p>
<p>Anyway, I refuse to believe that the nurses and paramedics didn&#8217;t know what they were doing. Considering it was Central California, I&#8217;m willing to bet they discriminated against these women on purpose. And they felt obligated to do it because it&#8217;s &#8220;what they believe.&#8221;<br />
Well, screw them and their &#8220;faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny that the same arguments that these people used against us (&#8220;special rights,&#8221; &#8220;they should keep it to themselves,&#8221; &#8220;they&#8217;re shoving their lifestyle down our throats&#8221;) could reasonably be used against them.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would seriously love to hear what Prop 8 supporters think about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would seriously love to hear what Prop 8 supporters think about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Noralben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noralben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nurses obviously had to choose between their job and their faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nurses obviously had to choose between their job and their faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it is not just a case of &quot;separate but equal&quot;.  I am certain this couple had a significant set of legal expenses to have their paperwork drawn up and notarized, etc; expenses that a married man and woman never have to invest.  I&#039;m not sure of all the details, but the adult child of a patient has more rights than were given to this couple.  This is a shining example of why clear legislation of LGBT rights can not be dismissed by the anti-SSM antagonists as unnecessary.  There are too many stories already where established policies are flagrantly disregarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it is not just a case of &#8220;separate but equal&#8221;.  I am certain this couple had a significant set of legal expenses to have their paperwork drawn up and notarized, etc; expenses that a married man and woman never have to invest.  I&#8217;m not sure of all the details, but the adult child of a patient has more rights than were given to this couple.  This is a shining example of why clear legislation of LGBT rights can not be dismissed by the anti-SSM antagonists as unnecessary.  There are too many stories already where established policies are flagrantly disregarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can&#039;t even get &quot;separate but equal&quot; right anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can&#8217;t even get &#8220;separate but equal&#8221; right anymore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is the reason why I believe in litigation and kicking ass when stuff like this happens. This is also the reason why I believe that we can not back down our litigation for marriage equality until we get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is the reason why I believe in litigation and kicking ass when stuff like this happens. This is also the reason why I believe that we can not back down our litigation for marriage equality until we get it.</p>
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