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	<title>Comments on: LGBT Insurrection Against The Democratic Party</title>
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		<title>By: Telnt</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/15/12143/comment-page-1#comment-42927</link>
		<dc:creator>Telnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t keep your promises, you can&#039;t keep my vote.</description>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/15/12143/comment-page-1#comment-42894</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JA is getting too much attention.  Perhaps he also wears a white robe.  

The case of equal rights is clear and not one to be argued over.  It&#039;s simple, and some day, when she/he experiences discrimination in her/his perfect life, she/he will realize!!

All for a boycott.  

Proudly a Hillary supporter, and a Nader voter!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JA is getting too much attention.  Perhaps he also wears a white robe.  </p>
<p>The case of equal rights is clear and not one to be argued over.  It&#8217;s simple, and some day, when she/he experiences discrimination in her/his perfect life, she/he will realize!!</p>
<p>All for a boycott.  </p>
<p>Proudly a Hillary supporter, and a Nader voter!!</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem I see with boycotting the Dems is that it will give the GOP an advantage. Not a good idea, I wouldn’t think. How about we keep what advantage we have, and keep the pressure on? &lt;i&gt;---hb&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, using a particularly visible event like this to make a point is probably about the right scale of protest. It gets attention and it shows that gay leaders will take notice and will encourage gay people to punish bad behavior like the DoJ DOMA &lt;i&gt;Smelt v. USA&lt;/i&gt; brief.

There must be consequences associated with their &quot;bad&quot; behavior or Democrats will continue to take us for granted. This is both a manifestation of pressure and &quot;negative reinforcement&quot; of behavior clearly detrimental to the progress of gay civil rights.

Our response also needs to be tempered, and we should be prepared to reward &quot;good&quot; behavior by supporting Democratic efforts that advance the cause of gay civil rights. We should not be shrill and reactionary as our enemies often are, but we need to be firm and stand together to send the message that we will not long tolerate being abused by those we have supported because they claimed they would support us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The problem I see with boycotting the Dems is that it will give the GOP an advantage. Not a good idea, I wouldn’t think. How about we keep what advantage we have, and keep the pressure on? <i>&#8212;hb</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, using a particularly visible event like this to make a point is probably about the right scale of protest. It gets attention and it shows that gay leaders will take notice and will encourage gay people to punish bad behavior like the DoJ DOMA <i>Smelt v. USA</i> brief.</p>
<p>There must be consequences associated with their &#8220;bad&#8221; behavior or Democrats will continue to take us for granted. This is both a manifestation of pressure and &#8220;negative reinforcement&#8221; of behavior clearly detrimental to the progress of gay civil rights.</p>
<p>Our response also needs to be tempered, and we should be prepared to reward &#8220;good&#8221; behavior by supporting Democratic efforts that advance the cause of gay civil rights. We should not be shrill and reactionary as our enemies often are, but we need to be firm and stand together to send the message that we will not long tolerate being abused by those we have supported because they claimed they would support us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/15/12143/comment-page-1#comment-42751</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, come on. Obama’s dealing with health care, Iran, and a bunch of rabid haters on cable news inciting violence. Tell me honestly that gay marriage is a major priority right now.&quot;

Gay Marriage is major priority right now.


&quot;You might actually try making an argument, Pender. How many people does this issue affect? How much does health care affect? You’re not the center of the damn universe.&quot;


The urgency of an issue is not dependent upon how many people it affects.  Had you been keeping up with civil rights issues you&#039;d know it&#039;s not that Obama and his administration have merely not done anything yet, far from, they&#039;ve backtracked and many consider the DOJ brief to be a backstabbing nightmare. 

To quote one of our allies,

&lt;b&gt;&quot;This &quot;wait&quot; has almost always meant &quot;never.&quot; We must come to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that &quot;justice too long delayed is justice denied.&quot; - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, come on. Obama’s dealing with health care, Iran, and a bunch of rabid haters on cable news inciting violence. Tell me honestly that gay marriage is a major priority right now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gay Marriage is major priority right now.</p>
<p>&#8220;You might actually try making an argument, Pender. How many people does this issue affect? How much does health care affect? You’re not the center of the damn universe.&#8221;</p>
<p>The urgency of an issue is not dependent upon how many people it affects.  Had you been keeping up with civil rights issues you&#8217;d know it&#8217;s not that Obama and his administration have merely not done anything yet, far from, they&#8217;ve backtracked and many consider the DOJ brief to be a backstabbing nightmare. </p>
<p>To quote one of our allies,</p>
<p><b>&#8220;This &#8220;wait&#8221; has almost always meant &#8220;never.&#8221; We must come to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that &#8220;justice too long delayed is justice denied.&#8221; &#8211; Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.</b></p>
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		<title>By: mikeksf</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeksf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not giving to the DNC for this fundraiser is a terrific idea! Let&#039;s hope that the room is as empty as the campaign rhetoric we heard. I&#039;d like to see some follow up on who does attend and who buys those $10,000 tables. What access do they think the Democrats will give them for their money?
This new defense of DOMA by the Obama Justice Dept. is an absolute outrage.
It seems to be of a pattern though with all the other opportunities that this administration is squandering:
bank reform, health care reform, climate change, energy, and truth and legal accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not giving to the DNC for this fundraiser is a terrific idea! Let&#8217;s hope that the room is as empty as the campaign rhetoric we heard. I&#8217;d like to see some follow up on who does attend and who buys those $10,000 tables. What access do they think the Democrats will give them for their money?<br />
This new defense of DOMA by the Obama Justice Dept. is an absolute outrage.<br />
It seems to be of a pattern though with all the other opportunities that this administration is squandering:<br />
bank reform, health care reform, climate change, energy, and truth and legal accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, sorry. I got an error with my first post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, sorry. I got an error with my first post.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JA,

Because gays view their rights as a greater priority than health care. Why shouldn&#039;t they? 

The reason it&#039;s exploded is because this administration has shown a total unwillingness to do anything for gay rights. It has done nothing on DADT, saying it&#039;s Congress&#039;s job. Now Congress is saying it&#039;s his job to do it via an executive order. This, and ENDA, are supported by 2/3 of America. If obama won&#039;t move on this, why should the gay community vote for him?

Then you get the DOMA brief, which explicitly says gay rights aren&#039;t real rights, like blacks and women&#039;s. So why shouldn&#039;t gays get pissed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JA,</p>
<p>Because gays view their rights as a greater priority than health care. Why shouldn&#8217;t they? </p>
<p>The reason it&#8217;s exploded is because this administration has shown a total unwillingness to do anything for gay rights. It has done nothing on DADT, saying it&#8217;s Congress&#8217;s job. Now Congress is saying it&#8217;s his job to do it via an executive order. This, and ENDA, are supported by 2/3 of America. If obama won&#8217;t move on this, why should the gay community vote for him?</p>
<p>Then you get the DOMA brief, which explicitly says gay rights aren&#8217;t real rights, like blacks and women&#8217;s. So why shouldn&#8217;t gays get pissed?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/15/12143/comment-page-1#comment-42740</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JA,

Sorry, but I have to ask you, why add insult to the injury? And how onerous can it be to just back up at least ONE of his campaign promises to us? Mr. Obama has a HUGH staff. I&#039;m sure he doesn&#039;t micromanage each and every item that comes his way. He asked for our money and our votes, then kicks us in the teeth with Warren, then backburners DADT, and now he&#039;s supporting DOMA. When is it time to hold him accountable? The next election? Think he&#039;ll make the same promises and come up with some lame excuses to justify stabbing us in our backs? He got my vote by default. He won&#039;t get it again. Better an honest enemy to fight than a false friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JA,</p>
<p>Sorry, but I have to ask you, why add insult to the injury? And how onerous can it be to just back up at least ONE of his campaign promises to us? Mr. Obama has a HUGH staff. I&#8217;m sure he doesn&#8217;t micromanage each and every item that comes his way. He asked for our money and our votes, then kicks us in the teeth with Warren, then backburners DADT, and now he&#8217;s supporting DOMA. When is it time to hold him accountable? The next election? Think he&#8217;ll make the same promises and come up with some lame excuses to justify stabbing us in our backs? He got my vote by default. He won&#8217;t get it again. Better an honest enemy to fight than a false friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for &quot;change we can believe in&quot;

Throw em all out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for &#8220;change we can believe in&#8221;</p>
<p>Throw em all out!</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JA,

Heathcare, the economy, the war...all are important but there will always be something &quot;more important&quot; than dealing with the rights of GLBT people for most administrations. If people just sit by and do nothing, demand nothing, they will get nothing. 

And you may not think that things like marriage equality or adoption rights aren&#039;t as important as health care, but I&#039;m sure that all of those uninsured members of GLBT households would disagree with you.When they can&#039;t get coverage from their parnter&#039;s job because they aren&#039;t a spouse or their kids are left out in the cold because they live in a state where the partner with the health coverage isn&#039;t allowed to adopt children with a same-sex partner should they just suck it up and wait because the economy is bad? 

Should they continue to put up with not being able to see their loved ones in the hospital and make decisions for them and lose their homes &amp; property when one partner dies just because we have troops overseas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JA,</p>
<p>Heathcare, the economy, the war&#8230;all are important but there will always be something &#8220;more important&#8221; than dealing with the rights of GLBT people for most administrations. If people just sit by and do nothing, demand nothing, they will get nothing. </p>
<p>And you may not think that things like marriage equality or adoption rights aren&#8217;t as important as health care, but I&#8217;m sure that all of those uninsured members of GLBT households would disagree with you.When they can&#8217;t get coverage from their parnter&#8217;s job because they aren&#8217;t a spouse or their kids are left out in the cold because they live in a state where the partner with the health coverage isn&#8217;t allowed to adopt children with a same-sex partner should they just suck it up and wait because the economy is bad? </p>
<p>Should they continue to put up with not being able to see their loved ones in the hospital and make decisions for them and lose their homes &amp; property when one partner dies just because we have troops overseas?</p>
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