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	<title>Comments on: Obama To Extend Minimal &#8220;Partner Benefits&#8221; To Federal Employees</title>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/16/12196/comment-page-1#comment-42834</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did any of you notice these &quot;benefits&quot; expire at the end of BO&#039;s term as President?  Wake up people, we have been taken for granted and lied to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did any of you notice these &#8220;benefits&#8221; expire at the end of BO&#8217;s term as President?  Wake up people, we have been taken for granted and lied to!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder...why?

Obama&#039;s doing healthcare reform and other big, complicated tasks.  Why can&#039;t he manage something relatively simple and less controversial like DADT?

Are they really afraid that it will provoke controversy that will distract from the other tasks?

Are they more interested in support from across the aisle than support from traditionally Dem groups like gays?

Or does Obama have some personal objections to gays?  African Americans tend to be less approving than Americans in general.

I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder&#8230;why?</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s doing healthcare reform and other big, complicated tasks.  Why can&#8217;t he manage something relatively simple and less controversial like DADT?</p>
<p>Are they really afraid that it will provoke controversy that will distract from the other tasks?</p>
<p>Are they more interested in support from across the aisle than support from traditionally Dem groups like gays?</p>
<p>Or does Obama have some personal objections to gays?  African Americans tend to be less approving than Americans in general.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this move is a response to 2 coinciding events: the furor over the DOJ briefing that has the fundraiser on the verge of cancellation, coupled with the tabling of the vote on the hate crimes bill to August.  The latter is very important, because it would have served as a minor distraction from the DOJ-DOMA mess.  Now, Obama had to fall back on this to cover up BOTH the briefing fiasco and the hate crimes vote delay.  And it won&#039;t work.  Not a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this move is a response to 2 coinciding events: the furor over the DOJ briefing that has the fundraiser on the verge of cancellation, coupled with the tabling of the vote on the hate crimes bill to August.  The latter is very important, because it would have served as a minor distraction from the DOJ-DOMA mess.  Now, Obama had to fall back on this to cover up BOTH the briefing fiasco and the hate crimes vote delay.  And it won&#8217;t work.  Not a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF.....this is so so very small....crumbs....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF&#8230;..this is so so very small&#8230;.crumbs&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I think about it . . . some friends of mine (CA married lesbians) relocated to AZ last year and got our agency to provide moving expenses for the both of them (really it was only a few hundred bucks of difference, but I think they were pleased to be &quot;included&quot;). Maybe it&#039;s an agency-by-agency call, but it seems that O is going to make a big deal about this, when really it is next to nothing.

hmgph. wish I had kept that campaign donation and taken my sweetie out to a nice dinner instead. I wouldn&#039;t feel like suuuuuch a sucker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I think about it . . . some friends of mine (CA married lesbians) relocated to AZ last year and got our agency to provide moving expenses for the both of them (really it was only a few hundred bucks of difference, but I think they were pleased to be &#8220;included&#8221;). Maybe it&#8217;s an agency-by-agency call, but it seems that O is going to make a big deal about this, when really it is next to nothing.</p>
<p>hmgph. wish I had kept that campaign donation and taken my sweetie out to a nice dinner instead. I wouldn&#8217;t feel like suuuuuch a sucker.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smells to me like a bone to keep us at bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smells to me like a bone to keep us at bay.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/16/12196/comment-page-1#comment-42780</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first posted this, the Advocate story only had two paragraphs, the first and the last one.  This part wasn&#039;t part of the article yet:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The White House press office declined to detail which benefits would be included, but people familiar with the legal obstacles posed by the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, said health benefits are not likely to be a part of the package. The Lieberman-Baldwin Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act, a bi-cameral bill that was introduced last month, will still need to be passed by Congress in order for full benefits to be extended to domestic partners of federal workers.

&quot;Our analysis has been that it will take an act of Congress for the full suite of benefits such as health benefits and retirement benefits to be provided for same-sex couples and families,&quot; said Leonard Hirsch, president of Federal Globe: Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Employees of the Federal Government. Hirsch said the executive branch has the authority to extend certain other benefits through departments and agencies, such as providing relocation costs for partners of federal employees.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really? Relocation expenses? You&#039;ve got to be kidding me. Health and retirement benefits are the most important part of any benefits plan. This one is practically useless -- and a cruel joke at that, given the events of the past few days. If this is supposed to be a sop that the Obama administration is throwing to LGBT employees, it&#039;s a pretty limp one.

I&#039;ve now updated the title of this post to put &quot;Domestic Partner Benefits&quot; in scare quotes where they belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first posted this, the Advocate story only had two paragraphs, the first and the last one.  This part wasn&#8217;t part of the article yet:</p>
<blockquote><p>The White House press office declined to detail which benefits would be included, but people familiar with the legal obstacles posed by the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, said health benefits are not likely to be a part of the package. The Lieberman-Baldwin Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act, a bi-cameral bill that was introduced last month, will still need to be passed by Congress in order for full benefits to be extended to domestic partners of federal workers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our analysis has been that it will take an act of Congress for the full suite of benefits such as health benefits and retirement benefits to be provided for same-sex couples and families,&#8221; said Leonard Hirsch, president of Federal Globe: Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Employees of the Federal Government. Hirsch said the executive branch has the authority to extend certain other benefits through departments and agencies, such as providing relocation costs for partners of federal employees.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really? Relocation expenses? You&#8217;ve got to be kidding me. Health and retirement benefits are the most important part of any benefits plan. This one is practically useless &#8212; and a cruel joke at that, given the events of the past few days. If this is supposed to be a sop that the Obama administration is throwing to LGBT employees, it&#8217;s a pretty limp one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve now updated the title of this post to put &#8220;Domestic Partner Benefits&#8221; in scare quotes where they belong.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;American voters, if you put your confidence in me, if you elect me as your president, I promise you that I will provide relocation costs for partners of federal employees.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ummm.... yeah, that wouldn&#039;t be a very compelling campaign.  Not that I&#039;m not grateful, I am, but well... let&#039;s just say I&#039;m not dancing around my table.

I find it interesting that there wasn&#039;t a single positive comment on the Advocate&#039;s site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>American voters, if you put your confidence in me, if you elect me as your president, I promise you that I will provide relocation costs for partners of federal employees.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ummm&#8230;. yeah, that wouldn&#8217;t be a very compelling campaign.  Not that I&#8217;m not grateful, I am, but well&#8230; let&#8217;s just say I&#8217;m not dancing around my table.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that there wasn&#8217;t a single positive comment on the Advocate&#8217;s site.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh. whoops. looks like NO health benes. well, that was short-lived happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh. whoops. looks like NO health benes. well, that was short-lived happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a federal employee, and am pretty darn happy about this personnaly . . . especially for friends of mine with partners who need health benefits. 

Politically it&#039;s kind of disappointing though. Why didn&#039;t he take on DADT first, which has such political support and which he promised during the campaign?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a federal employee, and am pretty darn happy about this personnaly . . . especially for friends of mine with partners who need health benefits. </p>
<p>Politically it&#8217;s kind of disappointing though. Why didn&#8217;t he take on DADT first, which has such political support and which he promised during the campaign?</p>
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