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	<title>Comments on: DOJ Reportedly To Meet With LGBT Groups</title>
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		<title>By: truthreller</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthreller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick.
Making excuses for the dear one will no longer fly. He is the president, he is responsible, period. This is his administration and they speak for him.

This is the man with the homophobes on parade during the election. Give me a break! I will no longer tolerate apologist for him.

You&#039;re in Denial, wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick.<br />
Making excuses for the dear one will no longer fly. He is the president, he is responsible, period. This is his administration and they speak for him.</p>
<p>This is the man with the homophobes on parade during the election. Give me a break! I will no longer tolerate apologist for him.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re in Denial, wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this insulting court brief is more than just that... some parts are as repugnant and ignorant as those coming from pat robertsons mouth.  

The most important things i got out of this were:
1) Two men marrying is not like two black ppl marrying.
2) Two men marrying is like a child and an adult marrying, or a sister and a brother marrying.


And i was surfing around about this topic i came across this paragraph which necesarily grabs ones attention and i aint sure to what extent this is true...


&quot;DOMA Is Consistent with Equal Protection and Due Process Principles.&quot; This is important because it means that Obama wasn&#039;t content to simply argue, based on technicalities, that this case should be thrown out. He went out of his way to argue that DOMA is actually constitutional, and then went into detail destroying every single constitutional argument we have for opposing DOMA in court. This will screw us on every lawsuit we file on every gay issue, in every public policy debate we have in the states on any gay issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this insulting court brief is more than just that&#8230; some parts are as repugnant and ignorant as those coming from pat robertsons mouth.  </p>
<p>The most important things i got out of this were:<br />
1) Two men marrying is not like two black ppl marrying.<br />
2) Two men marrying is like a child and an adult marrying, or a sister and a brother marrying.</p>
<p>And i was surfing around about this topic i came across this paragraph which necesarily grabs ones attention and i aint sure to what extent this is true&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;DOMA Is Consistent with Equal Protection and Due Process Principles.&#8221; This is important because it means that Obama wasn&#8217;t content to simply argue, based on technicalities, that this case should be thrown out. He went out of his way to argue that DOMA is actually constitutional, and then went into detail destroying every single constitutional argument we have for opposing DOMA in court. This will screw us on every lawsuit we file on every gay issue, in every public policy debate we have in the states on any gay issue.</p>
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		<title>By: BJohnM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJohnM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not ready to forgive until this Scott Simpson, the actual author of the brief, is no longer working at the DOJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not ready to forgive until this Scott Simpson, the actual author of the brief, is no longer working at the DOJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! Damn! My google search was off, REALLY off! Thanks for the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! Damn! My google search was off, REALLY off! Thanks for the correction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott P.: Wait, Edmund G. Brown, a.k.a. Jerry Brown? That&#039;s California&#039;s AG. I think you mean U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott P.: Wait, Edmund G. Brown, a.k.a. Jerry Brown? That&#8217;s California&#8217;s AG. I think you mean U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindoro Almoviva,

There is no secretary of Justice. The position you&#039;re referring to is Attorney General. Mr. Obama&#039;s Attorney General is Edmund G. Brown. He&#039;s the man who would have okayed this brief. And since it&#039;s a presidential appointment, Mr. Obama is responsible for what it contains, no matter who wrote it. 

All these people who keep making the excuse that the President is too busy to deal with our matters seem to forget the White House has an ENORMOUS bureaucracy to deal with everything from nuclear war to the patterns on the dinnerware. All he had to do was say what he wanted and it would get done. He&#039;s chosen to ignore us and needs to be shown we won&#039;t take this crap anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindoro Almoviva,</p>
<p>There is no secretary of Justice. The position you&#8217;re referring to is Attorney General. Mr. Obama&#8217;s Attorney General is Edmund G. Brown. He&#8217;s the man who would have okayed this brief. And since it&#8217;s a presidential appointment, Mr. Obama is responsible for what it contains, no matter who wrote it. </p>
<p>All these people who keep making the excuse that the President is too busy to deal with our matters seem to forget the White House has an ENORMOUS bureaucracy to deal with everything from nuclear war to the patterns on the dinnerware. All he had to do was say what he wanted and it would get done. He&#8217;s chosen to ignore us and needs to be shown we won&#8217;t take this crap anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: jOHN</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other John make a good point we can not be quiet any longer.  The only reason there has been ANY action this week is because the MSM is picking up and reporting the anger of the community!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other John make a good point we can not be quiet any longer.  The only reason there has been ANY action this week is because the MSM is picking up and reporting the anger of the community!</p>
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		<title>By: jOHN</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I myself am not ready to accept excuses and at this point the only remedy is action on the equality that was promised!

We were told that the president&#039;s plate was too full to deal with gay equality issues and yet there was time to prepare a hate filled filing.  If this was not what the president wanted filed then those who did this need to loose their jobs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself am not ready to accept excuses and at this point the only remedy is action on the equality that was promised!</p>
<p>We were told that the president&#8217;s plate was too full to deal with gay equality issues and yet there was time to prepare a hate filled filing.  If this was not what the president wanted filed then those who did this need to loose their jobs!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have all learned a good lesson through McClurkin, Rev. Warren, the DADT dismissals and the DoMA brief.  Nobody has ever gotten civil right by quietly sitting on the side lines and waiting.  

Nobody else is sitting on the sidelines quietly waiting their turn.  In a representative democracy, we need to keep the pressure on our representatives (and president) to remind them that we are still here and we are not going away.  In many ways, the ongoing missteps of the Obama Administration has been exactly what GLBTs needed in order to get angry, get organized and demand our rights.  The Prop 8 loss in CA didn&#039;t hurt either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have all learned a good lesson through McClurkin, Rev. Warren, the DADT dismissals and the DoMA brief.  Nobody has ever gotten civil right by quietly sitting on the side lines and waiting.  </p>
<p>Nobody else is sitting on the sidelines quietly waiting their turn.  In a representative democracy, we need to keep the pressure on our representatives (and president) to remind them that we are still here and we are not going away.  In many ways, the ongoing missteps of the Obama Administration has been exactly what GLBTs needed in order to get angry, get organized and demand our rights.  The Prop 8 loss in CA didn&#8217;t hurt either.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick:

Good guess, but then why do we have a secretary of Justice? Isn&#039;t he supposed to lead? I am not saying that he needs to micromanage everything that happens there, but as the nations Top lawyer, shouldn&#039;t he have had meetings with the team that was preparing the filing? Shouldn&#039;t he been briefed on the contents of such filing so he could steer the boat in the direction that the Government wanted?

Am I way off base here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick:</p>
<p>Good guess, but then why do we have a secretary of Justice? Isn&#8217;t he supposed to lead? I am not saying that he needs to micromanage everything that happens there, but as the nations Top lawyer, shouldn&#8217;t he have had meetings with the team that was preparing the filing? Shouldn&#8217;t he been briefed on the contents of such filing so he could steer the boat in the direction that the Government wanted?</p>
<p>Am I way off base here?</p>
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