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	<title>Comments on: Scott Lively, Gays, and the Nazi Party</title>
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		<title>By: Last Week in Gays &#171; Camels With Hammers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Last Week in Gays &#171; Camels With Hammers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Senator Chris Dodd came out in favor of marriage equality.  (The gays must have offered him a sweet deal on his mortgage.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Grove City Professor Throckmorton Attacks Anti-Gay Propaganda &#171; Camels With Hammers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grove City Professor Throckmorton Attacks Anti-Gay Propaganda &#171; Camels With Hammers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for probably three elective counseling sessions but for different reasons.  I liked him a lot.)  Here&#8217;s how Box Turtle Bulletin sums up the Throckmorton my friends and I remember: As a conservative Christian psychologist, Throckmorton has supported the right of counselors and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for probably three elective counseling sessions but for different reasons.  I liked him a lot.)  Here&#8217;s how Box Turtle Bulletin sums up the Throckmorton my friends and I remember: As a conservative Christian psychologist, Throckmorton has supported the right of counselors and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s post, and its reference to Lively&#039;s participation in the anti-gay conference in Uganda, made me realize I have not seen a post on the Gay Uganda blog in three weeks. Do you have any contact there? Is he ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s post, and its reference to Lively&#8217;s participation in the anti-gay conference in Uganda, made me realize I have not seen a post on the Gay Uganda blog in three weeks. Do you have any contact there? Is he ok?</p>
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		<title>By: TJ McFisty</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ McFisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr. Lively, please show me on the person where the doll touched you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr. Lively, please show me on the person where the doll touched you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once saw a gay porno with nazis.  Is that what Nicely calls documentation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once saw a gay porno with nazis.  Is that what Nicely calls documentation?</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would make me laugh too, if not for the fact that he&#039;s obviously a liar as well (and people have a tendency to believe lies after repeating them for a long enough time) and is perpetuating these lies in order to incite hostility and violence against gays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would make me laugh too, if not for the fact that he&#8217;s obviously a liar as well (and people have a tendency to believe lies after repeating them for a long enough time) and is perpetuating these lies in order to incite hostility and violence against gays.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting William.  It almost makes me laugh that he&#039;s trying to blame all those things on gays - the guy is clearly a nutcase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting William.  It almost makes me laugh that he&#8217;s trying to blame all those things on gays &#8211; the guy is clearly a nutcase.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott Lively’s account of the Theosophical Society in “The Pink Swastika” provides a good example of his worthless “scholarship”. Lively seems to think that this piece of Victorian eccentricity was some kind of outfit for “promoting” homosexuality. His evidence is:

(1) Madame Blavatsky, one of the founders of the Theosophical Society, MIGHT have been a lesbian.  

(2) Blavatsky’s friendship with Mrs Annie Besant, who became the leader of the Theosophical movement after Blavatsky’s death, MIGHT have been of a lesbian nature.

(3) Charles Webster Leadbeater, a renegade Church of England curate who abandoned his ministry, joined the TS, was later irregularly consecrated a bishop by another schismatic bishop and formed his own “Liberal Catholic Church”, was almost certainly a pederast. (He’s right on this one.)

Needless to say, Lively ignores any facts that might cast doubt on (1) and (2), which rest on an extremely flimsy foundation to start with, and suppresses the fact that Leadbeater was pressured into resigning from the Society as soon as his hanky-panky was discovered and was allowed to resume his place in the Society later only after Mrs Besant (no doubt gullibly) had been persuaded that he had mended his ways.

I see from Warren’s web-site that Lively, in his book “The Poisoned Stream”, claims also to have discovered “gay fingerprints” on “the Spanish Inquisition, the French ‘Reign of Terror’, the era of South African apartheid, and the two centuries of American slavery”. (I wonder what else. The Mafia? The Camorra? The Bermuda Triangle?)

It’s all rather reminiscent of Dan Brown’s “Da Vinci Code”, which at least wasn’t presented as more than a novel, even if its author did make spurious claims about the alleged historical facts on which it was based. As a journalist remarked at the time, “Everyone except the Abominable Snowman seems to be in on this.”

Lively’s method is basically a simple one, and we can all do it if we have the necessary time, energy and degree of fanaticism. You start by taking any organization or movement that your readers are likely to disapprove of. Then you look for people associated with it who were homosexual; since a proportion of the world’s population have always been homosexual, you’re almost certain to find some – even if only closeted ones, and even in homophobic movements. If you find yourself short of definites, settle for possibles. Add an immense amount of fanciful conjecture and ignore or distort any facts that conflict with your thesis. Stir it all together and Bob’s your uncle.

Frankly, I suspect that Scott Lively is a monomaniac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Lively’s account of the Theosophical Society in “The Pink Swastika” provides a good example of his worthless “scholarship”. Lively seems to think that this piece of Victorian eccentricity was some kind of outfit for “promoting” homosexuality. His evidence is:</p>
<p>(1) Madame Blavatsky, one of the founders of the Theosophical Society, MIGHT have been a lesbian.  </p>
<p>(2) Blavatsky’s friendship with Mrs Annie Besant, who became the leader of the Theosophical movement after Blavatsky’s death, MIGHT have been of a lesbian nature.</p>
<p>(3) Charles Webster Leadbeater, a renegade Church of England curate who abandoned his ministry, joined the TS, was later irregularly consecrated a bishop by another schismatic bishop and formed his own “Liberal Catholic Church”, was almost certainly a pederast. (He’s right on this one.)</p>
<p>Needless to say, Lively ignores any facts that might cast doubt on (1) and (2), which rest on an extremely flimsy foundation to start with, and suppresses the fact that Leadbeater was pressured into resigning from the Society as soon as his hanky-panky was discovered and was allowed to resume his place in the Society later only after Mrs Besant (no doubt gullibly) had been persuaded that he had mended his ways.</p>
<p>I see from Warren’s web-site that Lively, in his book “The Poisoned Stream”, claims also to have discovered “gay fingerprints” on “the Spanish Inquisition, the French ‘Reign of Terror’, the era of South African apartheid, and the two centuries of American slavery”. (I wonder what else. The Mafia? The Camorra? The Bermuda Triangle?)</p>
<p>It’s all rather reminiscent of Dan Brown’s “Da Vinci Code”, which at least wasn’t presented as more than a novel, even if its author did make spurious claims about the alleged historical facts on which it was based. As a journalist remarked at the time, “Everyone except the Abominable Snowman seems to be in on this.”</p>
<p>Lively’s method is basically a simple one, and we can all do it if we have the necessary time, energy and degree of fanaticism. You start by taking any organization or movement that your readers are likely to disapprove of. Then you look for people associated with it who were homosexual; since a proportion of the world’s population have always been homosexual, you’re almost certain to find some – even if only closeted ones, and even in homophobic movements. If you find yourself short of definites, settle for possibles. Add an immense amount of fanciful conjecture and ignore or distort any facts that conflict with your thesis. Stir it all together and Bob’s your uncle.</p>
<p>Frankly, I suspect that Scott Lively is a monomaniac.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an exchange with him several years ago and got similar results. He also suggested that I go to Exodus&#039;s Web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an exchange with him several years ago and got similar results. He also suggested that I go to Exodus&#8217;s Web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/23/12385/comment-page-1#comment-43175</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an email exchange with Lively, in addition to repeating his lies about the Nazis being gays he claimed that he &quot;cared&quot; about gays.  He was totally disingenous, refusing to answer my pointed questions, instead preferring to attempt to change the subject away from the things he couldn&#039;t answer and to his lies about gay Nazis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an email exchange with Lively, in addition to repeating his lies about the Nazis being gays he claimed that he &#8220;cared&#8221; about gays.  He was totally disingenous, refusing to answer my pointed questions, instead preferring to attempt to change the subject away from the things he couldn&#8217;t answer and to his lies about gay Nazis.</p>
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