Comments on: Santa Rosa CA Ex-Gay Pastor Not So Ex-Gay

By: Richard W. Fitch

Richard W. Fitch — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:55:33 +0000

bijousees – interesting Freudian Slip. “Prayed upon/preyed upon”. Unquestionably both are true. These ‘pastors’ who pray/prey upon young men who are disturbed about their same-sex feelings most likely do so with their own agenda in mind rather than the well-being of those they pretend to give aid.

By: bijousees

bijousees — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:25:26 +0000

Gay or not, Matthew Manning is luring young men into his home and turning them against their families. Families are being torn apart because of Manning’s manipulation, lies, and incessant need to be in control. This man did not “recover” from AIDS, nor does this man practice Christianity – adopting two grown men to be his sons when they have families who love and support them, one son who was prayed upon and snatched up by Manning on his 18th birthday. This man should come with a warning label – dangerous rapist who prays on vulnerable young men.

By: Last Week in Gays « Camels With Hammers

Last Week in Gays « Camels With Hammers — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:55:26 +0000

[...] A prominent leader of the “ex-gay” movement was exposed as having an all-too-recent record of complaints from males claiming he solicited sex from them. [...]

By: Regan DuCasse

Regan DuCasse — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:11:51 +0000

I think most of us remember at the earliest stages of the HIV/AIDS crisis, those who were leaders in religious communities railed against gay people, but made it seem that heterosexuals were immune to it.
We know how irresponsible and dangerous that is.
Does anyone here remember a California woman with the last name of Manuccio, I think, who joined the movement that doesn’t believe that HIV causes AIDS?
She DID have HIV, that was a proven diagnosis.

She breastfed her first child, a son, until he was over three years old. Breastfeeding, as you know, is a path of transmission for HIV. She had another child ( daughter), born HIV positive who didn’t retroconvert and who eventually died of PCP (AIDS related pneumonia) at age 17 months.

Manuccio herself died and her survivors won’t reveal if it was AIDS related. But Manuccio was only 52 years old.

Her stance on HIV not only put her son at risk, but it eventually killed her child (which she probably shouldn’t have had).
But an African president Museki, I think is his name, has taken up the mantle of that same belief, and its putting his public at risk.

Misleading the public regarding one’s HIV status isn’t legal.
Depending on what your purpose for disclosure on not is.
When you are someone held up as a public spokesperson, representing yourself TO the public with a medical issue, then you’re equally responsible to give evidence of whether it existed or was treated.

Otherwise, this guy is being extremely irresponsible (if not dangerous) again with his claims.

I think that GRAVITAS is a big deal in his situation. Someone like him needs to indict the gay community badly, and he’s found an audience ripe for it.
He also needs to make a big deal out of his faith and piety making his life right. Something that ALSO is a bid deal to the straight Christian folks he’s addressing.

In any case, he’s showing symptoms of MUNCHAUSEN’S and that’s ALSO a very bad thing.

It’s FRAUD, one way or the other.
And I don’t think it’s too much to ask, considering what’s at stake for everyone concerned, that he be COMPELLED to disclose the truth.

By: SharonB

SharonB — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:16:32 +0000

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.

By: CLS

CLS — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:28:32 +0000

What is happening here is part of a long-tradition of the ex-gay movement starting with Guy Charles, the first not so ex ex-gay who ran around claiming he was cured. Even while such people appear on television claiming to be cured they are cruising behind the scenes trying to have sex with others of the same sex.

There has been no violation of a right to privacy here. Manning makes fraudulent claims about his health and it is appropriate to see if there is evidence to back him up. No records were stolen but it is clear Manning won’t provide evidence because there isn’t any. His being cured from HIV is probably as real as his being ex-gay.

Since Manning has “gone public” with his miracle claims and voluntarily appeared in the media he is a public figure. His “privacy” rights are thus not the same as everyone else’s under US law.

By: penguinsaur

penguinsaur — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:44:24 +0000

Is their a single ‘ex-gay’ who doesnt make their living being a paid puppet of ‘proof’ for the religious right?

By: Bill S

Bill S — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:39:39 +0000

WOULD, not WOUYLD. Damn typos.

By: Bill S

Bill S — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:39:02 +0000

“I prayed away an incurable disease. Don’t ask me to PROVE it, just take my word for.
And if YOU have the same disease, you just have to pray it away like I did. Trust me, it’ll work.
And if it DOESN’T work, it’s YOUR fault for not being a good enough Christian. Like I am. In spite of my recent arrests.”

Y’know, he may not be obligated to provide his medical records, but it WOUYLD go a long way in proving he isn’t an asshole.

By: Timothy (TRiG)

Timothy (TRiG) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:44:10 +0000

This guy is essentially saying, “I had AIDS once, and now I’m cured, but you’ll have to take my word for it.”

Well, fair enough. He doesn’t have to provide documentation. And we don’t have to believe him.

It’s not prying, though, to politely ask for documentation in the face of such an extraordinary claim, nor is it wrong to note publicly that the request has been refused.

(It would have been prying had they somehow dug it up without his permission.)

TRiG.