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		<title>By: Michael Ditto</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/26/12520/comment-page-1#comment-43645</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we and the President can multitask.</description>
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		<title>By: Ed White, Knoxville</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/26/12520/comment-page-1#comment-43609</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed White, Knoxville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s not just a matter of LGBT bloggers being more informed - they&#039;re IMMERSED, thoroughly, in LGBT news, with the intent on creating or at least perpetuating more of it.  The weaker journalistic types lean toward the dramatic to generate more buzz - it&#039;s addictive and gets noticed. But even the more ethical, thoughtful bloggers aren&#039;t immune from the echo-chamber effect of the blogsphere.  The buzz of the day or the week bounces around and gets amplified sometimes to the point that it doesn&#039;t really match the reality on the ground.

I&#039;m not a blogger, but I&#039;m not immune either.  In preparation for a speech at our local PrideFest, I read everything I could find on the web for weeks, trying to decide where my audience might be at.  In the earlier days, a couple of weeks ago, I found the near rage I was reading appalling.  By the time I finished writing my speech 2 days ago, I had gotten caught up in it somewhat myself, and tried to play the middle, recognize the anger and try to mitigate it.

But from the reaction, during and after my speech, I now feel it was a bit of a wrong note the way I recognized this anger as if it were somehow commonplace: I couldn&#039;t really find that much anger in the audience, and in fact, the cheers I got were from counseling patience.

Granted, Knoxville&#039;s LGBTs have always been more moderate - even conservative - than the rest of the country in general, but I have a feeling the rest of the country is far more patient that the blogsphere and many immersed activists, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s not just a matter of LGBT bloggers being more informed &#8211; they&#8217;re IMMERSED, thoroughly, in LGBT news, with the intent on creating or at least perpetuating more of it.  The weaker journalistic types lean toward the dramatic to generate more buzz &#8211; it&#8217;s addictive and gets noticed. But even the more ethical, thoughtful bloggers aren&#8217;t immune from the echo-chamber effect of the blogsphere.  The buzz of the day or the week bounces around and gets amplified sometimes to the point that it doesn&#8217;t really match the reality on the ground.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a blogger, but I&#8217;m not immune either.  In preparation for a speech at our local PrideFest, I read everything I could find on the web for weeks, trying to decide where my audience might be at.  In the earlier days, a couple of weeks ago, I found the near rage I was reading appalling.  By the time I finished writing my speech 2 days ago, I had gotten caught up in it somewhat myself, and tried to play the middle, recognize the anger and try to mitigate it.</p>
<p>But from the reaction, during and after my speech, I now feel it was a bit of a wrong note the way I recognized this anger as if it were somehow commonplace: I couldn&#8217;t really find that much anger in the audience, and in fact, the cheers I got were from counseling patience.</p>
<p>Granted, Knoxville&#8217;s LGBTs have always been more moderate &#8211; even conservative &#8211; than the rest of the country in general, but I have a feeling the rest of the country is far more patient that the blogsphere and many immersed activists, too.</p>
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		<title>By: NH Baritone</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/26/12520/comment-page-1#comment-43562</link>
		<dc:creator>NH Baritone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been extremely disappointed by the President&#039;s failure to follow through on his pro-gay campaign rhetoric.

Inviting a few gay folks in for tea and cookies does NOT come close to fulfillment of his pre-election promises, and neither does giving minimal rights to gay couples who work for the Feds. Even Condi Rice did that.

He should immediately through his stop-loss executive power suspend the implementation of &quot;don&#039;t ask-don&#039;t tell.&quot; (This will provide a period of experiment for the military to live with openly gay people among its ranks.) He should put all of his weight behind ENDA. And he should insist that congress begin repeal of DOMA within its current session.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been extremely disappointed by the President&#8217;s failure to follow through on his pro-gay campaign rhetoric.</p>
<p>Inviting a few gay folks in for tea and cookies does NOT come close to fulfillment of his pre-election promises, and neither does giving minimal rights to gay couples who work for the Feds. Even Condi Rice did that.</p>
<p>He should immediately through his stop-loss executive power suspend the implementation of &#8220;don&#8217;t ask-don&#8217;t tell.&#8221; (This will provide a period of experiment for the military to live with openly gay people among its ranks.) He should put all of his weight behind ENDA. And he should insist that congress begin repeal of DOMA within its current session.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have been peachy-keen if the democrats had gotten their act together and passed just one initiative.   And I think that one should have been ENDA or rather, GENDA.   That would have been what I think should have been done.

But I&#039;m with the guy on the NY street [at whatever link that is supposed to be], I&#039;d much rather have some sort of &lt;i&gt;effective&lt;/i&gt; health care passed.  I got purposefully price out of my health-care insurance by the company I was with, and cannot get new insurance because of certain pre-existing conditions.   I&#039;ve spent into the mid-6 figures the last serveral years on healthcare which has destroyed a life savings.

DOMA and DADT could have been left until later.   I suspect that Obama would rather institute new rules into the military after bring home most of the troops anyway.   DOMA could wait until 2010 or later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been peachy-keen if the democrats had gotten their act together and passed just one initiative.   And I think that one should have been ENDA or rather, GENDA.   That would have been what I think should have been done.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m with the guy on the NY street [at whatever link that is supposed to be], I&#8217;d much rather have some sort of <i>effective</i> health care passed.  I got purposefully price out of my health-care insurance by the company I was with, and cannot get new insurance because of certain pre-existing conditions.   I&#8217;ve spent into the mid-6 figures the last serveral years on healthcare which has destroyed a life savings.</p>
<p>DOMA and DADT could have been left until later.   I suspect that Obama would rather institute new rules into the military after bring home most of the troops anyway.   DOMA could wait until 2010 or later.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/06/26/12520/comment-page-1#comment-43520</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also getting a broken link.  There&#039;s not enough information in the quoted portion to evaluate the survey -- what actual choices were the respondents given, and in what context were gay rights presented as part of the overall picture?

As for the blogs not reflecting the average LGBT, what media outlet does reflect the average anyone?  CNN?  New York Times?  Fox?  Excuse me, but is there a slight conceptual gap here?  And, to be perfectly honest, I do see the role of political blogs as adversarial, at least in part -- it&#039;s some thing that&#039;s been missing in this country for a while.

Based on the segment in this post, I don&#039;t see much of value in the survey -- which is probably why it got reported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also getting a broken link.  There&#8217;s not enough information in the quoted portion to evaluate the survey &#8212; what actual choices were the respondents given, and in what context were gay rights presented as part of the overall picture?</p>
<p>As for the blogs not reflecting the average LGBT, what media outlet does reflect the average anyone?  CNN?  New York Times?  Fox?  Excuse me, but is there a slight conceptual gap here?  And, to be perfectly honest, I do see the role of political blogs as adversarial, at least in part &#8212; it&#8217;s some thing that&#8217;s been missing in this country for a while.</p>
<p>Based on the segment in this post, I don&#8217;t see much of value in the survey &#8212; which is probably why it got reported.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do I think?

I think it&#039;s not too surprising. Like Ben said above, bloggers are more aware than the typical man-on-the-street. And like Ken said, few people consider their sexuality the most important aspect of their life, especially when bigger problems are pressing.

I think it&#039;s reasonable to assume some priorities, that some broad challenges we&#039;re facing must take precedence over others.

At the same time, though, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. While there&#039;s some threat of seeming selfish or greedy, and while some people do go too far in harsh criticism, I think we have a right to keep reminding the government that these are real issues that we want, nay, need to see progress on soon.

Yeah, fixing the economy is probably a lot more important than repealing Don&#039;t Ask, Don&#039;t Tell. But repealing Don&#039;t Ask, Don&#039;t Tell would also be a lot easier. They could probably get it done on their lunch break, figuratively speaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do I think?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s not too surprising. Like Ben said above, bloggers are more aware than the typical man-on-the-street. And like Ken said, few people consider their sexuality the most important aspect of their life, especially when bigger problems are pressing.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s reasonable to assume some priorities, that some broad challenges we&#8217;re facing must take precedence over others.</p>
<p>At the same time, though, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. While there&#8217;s some threat of seeming selfish or greedy, and while some people do go too far in harsh criticism, I think we have a right to keep reminding the government that these are real issues that we want, nay, need to see progress on soon.</p>
<p>Yeah, fixing the economy is probably a lot more important than repealing Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell. But repealing Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell would also be a lot easier. They could probably get it done on their lunch break, figuratively speaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Burr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is equally unclear that the agenda the blogs are pressing on the White House is one the broader community would choose.&quot;

What nonsense. There&#039;s nothing to choose. Equal rights are a demand of our very existence. The community is not split on what they would CHOOSE to happen. They may be split on their level of patience, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is equally unclear that the agenda the blogs are pressing on the White House is one the broader community would choose.&#8221;</p>
<p>What nonsense. There&#8217;s nothing to choose. Equal rights are a demand of our very existence. The community is not split on what they would CHOOSE to happen. They may be split on their level of patience, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That link isn&#039;t working.  I&#039;d like to see the source.  If it&#039;s from a mainstream news outlet then I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised to see them trying to marginalize the bloggers.  There&#039;s not a whole lot of love lost there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link isn&#8217;t working.  I&#8217;d like to see the source.  If it&#8217;s from a mainstream news outlet then I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised to see them trying to marginalize the bloggers.  There&#8217;s not a whole lot of love lost there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken in Riverside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken in Riverside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That gay and lesbian people wouldn&#039;t identify gay issues as the most important issues that Obama is dealing with isn&#039;t a very interesting observation.  Most gays I know don&#039;t consider their sexuality to be the primary defining source of identity.

I read your blog along with The Daily Dish as my primary sources for gay-rights issues.  So, while recognizing the potential selection bias, I have to say that I am very, very unpleased with Obama&#039;s performance on gay issues.  I don&#039;t think I can put it better than Sullivan when he says that Obama just wants us to go away.  What evidence do we have to the contrary?  Symbolic gestures like hand-written notes to DADT discharges and a speech here or there when DNC fundraisers lose contributions from gay orgs.  Which is the real policy?  The one submitted to the SCOTUS or the one to which lip service is given at fund raisers?

I&#039;d be fine with the achievements being made later in his term.  President Obama&#039;s campeign co-opted &quot;hope&quot;.  It was an inspiring and uplifting message.  Where is our hope?  We HOPE to have equal rights one day.  We HOPE that our spouses won&#039;t be deported.  We HOPE that whatever hospital closest to us honors our rights as spouses.  We HOPE that our professional lives and skills would be valued on their own merits, independant of which sex we are attracted to.

Perhaps President Obama doesn&#039;t want to diminish our hopefulness by doing so little as engaging our community before damaging our interests with something as trivial as a SCOTUS brief.

Next time, I&#039;m voting for the candidate that runs on the &quot;Certainty&quot; platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That gay and lesbian people wouldn&#8217;t identify gay issues as the most important issues that Obama is dealing with isn&#8217;t a very interesting observation.  Most gays I know don&#8217;t consider their sexuality to be the primary defining source of identity.</p>
<p>I read your blog along with The Daily Dish as my primary sources for gay-rights issues.  So, while recognizing the potential selection bias, I have to say that I am very, very unpleased with Obama&#8217;s performance on gay issues.  I don&#8217;t think I can put it better than Sullivan when he says that Obama just wants us to go away.  What evidence do we have to the contrary?  Symbolic gestures like hand-written notes to DADT discharges and a speech here or there when DNC fundraisers lose contributions from gay orgs.  Which is the real policy?  The one submitted to the SCOTUS or the one to which lip service is given at fund raisers?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be fine with the achievements being made later in his term.  President Obama&#8217;s campeign co-opted &#8220;hope&#8221;.  It was an inspiring and uplifting message.  Where is our hope?  We HOPE to have equal rights one day.  We HOPE that our spouses won&#8217;t be deported.  We HOPE that whatever hospital closest to us honors our rights as spouses.  We HOPE that our professional lives and skills would be valued on their own merits, independant of which sex we are attracted to.</p>
<p>Perhaps President Obama doesn&#8217;t want to diminish our hopefulness by doing so little as engaging our community before damaging our interests with something as trivial as a SCOTUS brief.</p>
<p>Next time, I&#8217;m voting for the candidate that runs on the &#8220;Certainty&#8221; platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tihnk bloggers are probably more active, more aware of what&#039;s going on, and thinking aobut it more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tihnk bloggers are probably more active, more aware of what&#8217;s going on, and thinking aobut it more.</p>
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