Nice intellectual slight-of-hand. You have yet to prove what those “very good reasons are” you simply point to your statistics and suggest the answer is obvious, when in fact, your stats don’t support your conclusion.

If you’d bothered to think a minute before lashing back in reactionary fashion, you’d have seen that. The NAIC number claims to be about the number of homosexual male *parents*, while the stat I cited is about how many male homosexuals are actually living with children. (And the 6-14 million number they gave for “homosexual households”, God only knows what methodology they used to get it, but it combines homosexual male and female, so is not helpful for making claims about how many homosexual males are actually custodial parents of minor children).

As anyone with the 15 seconds needed to think about this would note, one can be a parent without having custody of children. Indeed, in most cases when divorce is involved, male parents do NOT have custody of children. So, in your effort to try to gin the numbers of gay males with children up as high as you can, you equate two figures that are not about the same thing.

I submit that it is interesting that such a tiny percentage of homosexual men actually live with children. Part of this is likely because they do not want to, but another part of it is that OTHERS do not want them to (i.e., the courts and professionals who make decisions about custody of minor children). You can try to fudge the facts all you want, but the study I cite on that page is the only one on the point I was making. If you want to make another claim that e.g., a substantial number of homosexual men have become parents in their previous lives as married men and then have lost custody of those children once they became homosexuals, well, that’s another discussion. I am making a point about how many homosexual men are actually the custodial parents of minor children. THAT number is, in terms of the overall number of homosexual men, very, very small. And there are very good reasons why it is so small.

I am in fact arguing b/c you and others here systematically refuse to see facts, or systematically attempt to prevaricate about or obfuscate the evidence.

We’ll just let others go to the site and see for themselves.

But regardless of whether one selects the largest estimate or, like you, the smallest, there are still AT LEAST a couple hundred thousand gay fathers.

I’ll repeat your original claim for clarity’s sake:

Very, very few homosexual men ever get the *chance* to molest children b/c, as someone already noted, we still make sure to check the holy crap out of them.

Unlike you, I don’t describe a population ranging in size from hundreds of thousands up to millions (the National Adoption Information Clearinghouse estimate) to be “very, very few”.

Perhaps you do. But at this point I suspect you are just arguing for argument sake.

Contrary to your statement, the page I linked to has no “range” of different “estimates”–it has info on ONE demographic study showing 5% of gay male homes with children living in them. 5%. God only knows where you got 10 million b/c there is no claim there about 10 million homosexual males with children.

Indeed, such a statement would be insane, as there are certainly not 10 million homosexual males in existence in the US. You see, there are 300 million people total in this country. About half of them are women. About 75 million of the people living in the US are children, half of them male, so cut out another 37.5 million from the male side. This leaves about 112.5 million adult men.

The U of Chicago study shows that about 3-4% of American men have sex with other men most of the time, have mostly homosexual fantasies, and self-identify as homosexual–i.e., are gay by the definition reasonable people understand. (I leave aside the fantasy world of the person who responded re: the Chicago study earlier by suggesting that e.g., people who had one homosexual encounter at age 12 or who rarely have a homosexual fantasy but never act on it and self-identify as straight can in fact reasonably be classified as gay). 3-4% of 112.5 million only gets you 3.4-4.5 million gay males total.

10 million? You can’t be serious. Even “millions on millions” as you want to believe possible would require 50% or so of the existing number to be parents, which is obviously not true.

You might consider thinking a bit more before you post.

Really bad thinking on your part.

Richard, you don’t even recognize satire, are you sure you’re gay? I was using your own overly simplistic line of thinking on you. It’s called turning the tables.

The “facts” on that page are a listing of the broad range in estimates from 5.2% of male homes up to 10 million.

It isn’t at all surprising that you picked the smallest number and declared it to be a “fact”. You poor sad man, how difficult it must be to go through life with the weight of bias wrapped around your eyes allowing you to only see what agrees with your presumptions.

But even at the smallest 5.2% estimate that you sought out, there are still hundreds of thousands of gay fathers out there productively raising healthy happy children. And if we accept the upper estimates (which are also unlikely) then we have millions upon millions of wonderful exemplary devoted gay fathers and thank God for them.

…just as very few gay men ever desire and get the chance to be parents…

You are factually mistaken. The Urban Institute reports that “more than half of gay men want to have a child” and that “one in six gay men have fathered or adopted a child.” (see, we like facts here)

While that is fewer than heterosexual men, it is still quite a substantial number of men, more than 800,000 in the US. And, as best I can find, this may be the sole example of a self-identified gay man molesting his adopted son.

Yet we see report after report of self-identified heterosexual men that abuse and molest their sons, step-sons, adopted sons and foster sons.

If we were just making comparisons, wouldn’t this suggest that the safest household for a male child is among self-identified gay men?

Yes, there’s certainly something in that. When men who are married or are living in a heterosexual relationship are convicted of molesting boys, their heterosexual lifestyle is usually concealed by the media.