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	<title>Comments on: Maine&#8217;s Anti-Gay Signature Collecting Update</title>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WLV said &quot;People realize that those advocating this are not asking for equal rights. They already have equal rights under the law to marry. They are asking for additional rights, and only for themselves.&quot;

That&#039;s quite simply a lie.  Ted has the right to marry Alice, Dorothy does not have the same right Ted has to marry Alice - the rights are indisputably unequal.  Gays seek the same right straights have to marry the person of their choice.

WLV said &quot;If you truly want marriage to be between ANY consenting adults, you open the proverbial Pandora’s Box for incestuous marriages, polygamous marriages.&quot;.

Another lie.  Equal marriage has been going on in several countries for many many years and there&#039;s never been a legalization of incestuous or polygamous marriages and there is no organized effort to bring that about.

WLV said &quot;Some of you would put provisions in a marriage bill to exclude everything but what you want.&quot;.

No, that&#039;d be you.  You want to exclude the same sex marriages you do not want.  

WLV said  &quot;But you now fear the voters of Maine, and you label any opposition to you position as “anti-gay”. It’s really pathetic.&quot;.

Once again, you&#039;re the pathetic one.  The tyranny of the majority is rightfully opposed.  You seek to deny gays the rights you take for granted - you are anti-gay by definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WLV said &#8220;People realize that those advocating this are not asking for equal rights. They already have equal rights under the law to marry. They are asking for additional rights, and only for themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite simply a lie.  Ted has the right to marry Alice, Dorothy does not have the same right Ted has to marry Alice &#8211; the rights are indisputably unequal.  Gays seek the same right straights have to marry the person of their choice.</p>
<p>WLV said &#8220;If you truly want marriage to be between ANY consenting adults, you open the proverbial Pandora’s Box for incestuous marriages, polygamous marriages.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Another lie.  Equal marriage has been going on in several countries for many many years and there&#8217;s never been a legalization of incestuous or polygamous marriages and there is no organized effort to bring that about.</p>
<p>WLV said &#8220;Some of you would put provisions in a marriage bill to exclude everything but what you want.&#8221;.</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;d be you.  You want to exclude the same sex marriages you do not want.  </p>
<p>WLV said  &#8220;But you now fear the voters of Maine, and you label any opposition to you position as “anti-gay”. It’s really pathetic.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Once again, you&#8217;re the pathetic one.  The tyranny of the majority is rightfully opposed.  You seek to deny gays the rights you take for granted &#8211; you are anti-gay by definition.</p>
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		<title>By: wlv</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/08/13039/comment-page-1#comment-52603</link>
		<dc:creator>wlv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is fascinating.  You are hoping for the failure of an initiative left to the voters of Maine?  At which stage do you hope for failure?  I think most of you are simply afraid to allow the voters to vote on it.  Gay marriage, when put to the voters, has failed in every single instance.  People realize that those advocating this are not asking for equal rights.  They already have equal rights under the law to marry.  They are asking for additional rights, and only for themselves.  If you truly want marriage to be between ANY consenting adults, you open the proverbial Pandora&#039;s Box for incestuous marriages, polygamous marriages. Are you ready for a mother to marry her adult son?  No.  Some of you would put provisions in a marriage bill to exclude everything but what you want.  But you now fear the voters of Maine, and you label any opposition to you position as &quot;anti-gay&quot;. It&#039;s really pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fascinating.  You are hoping for the failure of an initiative left to the voters of Maine?  At which stage do you hope for failure?  I think most of you are simply afraid to allow the voters to vote on it.  Gay marriage, when put to the voters, has failed in every single instance.  People realize that those advocating this are not asking for equal rights.  They already have equal rights under the law to marry.  They are asking for additional rights, and only for themselves.  If you truly want marriage to be between ANY consenting adults, you open the proverbial Pandora&#8217;s Box for incestuous marriages, polygamous marriages. Are you ready for a mother to marry her adult son?  No.  Some of you would put provisions in a marriage bill to exclude everything but what you want.  But you now fear the voters of Maine, and you label any opposition to you position as &#8220;anti-gay&#8221;. It&#8217;s really pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: ravenbiker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ravenbiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Failure is inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failure is inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/08/13039/comment-page-1#comment-44403</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They (pro-marriage forces) need to smear their opponents as being backwoods hicks.  Doesn&#039;t matter if its true or not as long as it gets the job done.  I recommed giving ol&#039; Fred Phelps a call.  I&#039;m sure he&#039;d jump at the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They (pro-marriage forces) need to smear their opponents as being backwoods hicks.  Doesn&#8217;t matter if its true or not as long as it gets the job done.  I recommed giving ol&#8217; Fred Phelps a call.  I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;d jump at the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/07/08/13039/comment-page-1#comment-44357</link>
		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main concern is that this is that Equality Maine will mount yet another softball, No On 8-style campaign and end up blowing it, just like what happened in California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main concern is that this is that Equality Maine will mount yet another softball, No On 8-style campaign and end up blowing it, just like what happened in California.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where was it I read that there were two petitions people could sign, one for the measure and one, purported to be, against the the measure, but in actuality simply an obfuscated wording of the first.  People signing the second, if they have been combined with the first would dilute the count. And some of those who signed the first may have reconsidered by time to go to the polls  --  let&#039;s hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was it I read that there were two petitions people could sign, one for the measure and one, purported to be, against the the measure, but in actuality simply an obfuscated wording of the first.  People signing the second, if they have been combined with the first would dilute the count. And some of those who signed the first may have reconsidered by time to go to the polls  &#8212;  let&#8217;s hope.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As I said in June, we need to hope for their failure and plan for their success.&lt;/i&gt;

My thoughts exactly. What we shouldn&#039;t be doing is what we did in California, i.e. expecting their failure and not even considering their success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As I said in June, we need to hope for their failure and plan for their success.</i></p>
<p>My thoughts exactly. What we shouldn&#8217;t be doing is what we did in California, i.e. expecting their failure and not even considering their success.</p>
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